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they thought they had sufficient resources. there s not a question, they did not know and i take responsibility for not having them prepare for more. madeleine: chairman of the subcommittee, is seizing on the new video saying that nancy pelosi s january 6 committee spent taxpayer money for investigation. her admission of responsibility directly contradicts her own narrative. a spokesperson called it cherrypicked and maintains she is not responsible for security for trying to white wash the deadly insurrection. here nancy pelosi herself. the president of the united states and his toteies do not want to face the facts and are trying to do revisionist history on january 6. madeleine: some clips have been shared and republicans slammed panel s work as partisan. carley: madeleine rivera, thank you. today s primary day in nevada and polls will open 7:00 a.m. pacific time, crowded republican senate primary has trump-backed sam brown, retired captain running for the pivotal seat. democrats hold slim 51-49 majority in the upper chamber. trump endorsed sam on sunday night saying brown will never let you know. jackie rosen is expected to easily win her primary to face the winner of today s republican contest. she describes brown as ultra-maga. we will hear from sam brown later this morning on fox and friends live. todd: a barn burner if brown wins, they look tied right now. president biden sparking concern, he appears to freeze at j juneteenth celebration yesterday on june tenth. the president stands there smiling as everyone around him is grooving to love theory. there he is. this comes as polling guru nate silvers biden s approval ratings are so low. silver posting this, biden hit an all all-time low. 5:38 and nate silver site. there is threshold where continuing to run is a bigger risk. are we there yet? i don t know, it is fair to ask. four not ms after the hour. jury deliberations continue in hunter biden s gun trial. carley: brooke singman has the latest. brooke: the jury will continue this morning after no verdict was reached yesterday. the first son did not testify in his own defense. he was joined by a dozen family members. before deliberations began, prosecution presented an alleged text in a potential blow to defense. text sent on october 11 says meet me at 7-11 at 3:00. it is unclear if hunter met that draw drug dualer. alan dershowitz says the message is clear. best thing that can happen to president trump is if hunter biden getting prove beyond any doubt it is where this trial is convicted. if you are trump tried in new york, automatic guilt. if you are biden and tried in delaware, very different. best thing that could happen to trump is acquittal for hunter biden. brooke: 345,000 dollars could cover jill biden s 1400 per hour to operate the first lady s government plane. jill biden has only missed one day of that trial. todd: glad i got up in the middle of the night to pay for jill biden to fly back and forth. carley: she flew from france and delaware and delaware to france on the same day president biden called called it an exist threat. fox cameras capturing illegals crossing into the country. here is what one told our crews. i love biden. why do you love him? 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did you pay anyone to get here? no, i search internet and follow and got away and come here. what do you think of president biden? biden? i love biden. why do you love him? biden help us. todd: of course he helps you, by letting you in. bring in sheriff panel, wayne ivy, leo dlut to the know of lewis and clark county and rkirn donnahuuechl biden administration is looking into more border action, what goes through your mind when you see this administration struggling to reinvent the wheel when everything they need is on the books and has been forever? political stunt. too little too late, they could have secured the border long ago. instead they handcuffed men and women of border patrol and now we re overrun with drugs flooding the border, overrun with illegals coming across the border. they account have protected our border, fought terrorism, they are doing a political stunt and clown show. todd: 8 million migrants since president biden took office. people have lost their lives to drug overdoses with 70,000 being primarily fentanyl. president trump said over the weekend, listen. crooked joe signed an executive order that is pro-invasion, pro-child trafficking, pro-woman trafficking, pro-human trafficking and pro-drug dealers. it is a pro-drug dealer bill. it is weak and ineffective. millions of people will continue pouring in and coming right through the border like they have never come through before. they are changing the fabric of our country, destroying our country. todd: sheriff dlid you tell how would sheriffs like you partner with new trump administration to do away with what the cartels have done, put a stop to it. first thing we will do, go through the sheriff s association to talk about things and how we can partner, such as stopping the illegal flow. more importantly, cartels are overrunning and controlling the borders and been in power last three years. we need to address cartel, human trafficking and fentanyl overdoses. we re a border state, i tell you, every state in the united states is a border state. people are not staying there and have a lot of social impancts when they come to your community. they need help and they will run you dry quickly. not that we don t have compassion, that is not it, it is entering this country legally. todd: sheriff donahue, what happens if biden wins? will cartels grow more powerful than they are now if he gets a second term? without question, they will. we are overrun by illegal immigration, human smuggling, human trafficking and drugs. cartels are in every state in the united states and northern border is a threat, southern border is a threat and this is a national security issue, unfortunately, if he gets back in office, i fear for the united states as a whole. we cannot afford for him to do more damage than he s already done and this will pail in comparison if he gets another four years. the american people need to wake up. this is in your face right now with criminality, cartels and they will become more embolden and you will see far more criminality and violence in the united states. todd: thank you, keep up the fight. carley: fox and friends exclues i was, parents of the couple murdered by gangs during a mission trip to haiti join us for the first interview since this unthinkable tragedy, their story you will see only here, that is next. respiratory [ engine revving ] listen. horsepower keeps you going, but torque gets you going. 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she was a devoted wife. she had no children of her own, little kelly over there was a s spiritual child of hers. she was sweet and loved those children. loved haiti. loved davy. an incredible human. carley: dave, what would you remember about your daughter? so many things. if you were to sum it up, their lives, it is about love and about commitment, their love for god and love for each other and commitment to the calling and the commitment to the people of haiti that they evenually gave their lives for. tell us about your son and who he was as a person? he was amazing, there wasn t anything he couldn t do or figure out. he would go and learn how to do anything and fix it. it was all about sharing love of christian abata with others and upon hadding those in need and they did that during their time there in haiti. carley: they did just that. ben, the situation in haiti has been going on for sometime now, almost completely out of the news in the united states and given what happened, it feels like it shouldn t be. what are conditions in haiti? it is awful over there and david could probably speak more to that than me being there so long and understand ing the people of haiti and knowing how to speak the language. it is like almost complete anarchy with very little government set up, it makes everything difficult for people there, especially. it is a dark place. i believe that the darkest places need light and davy and natalie were there. carley: david, pick up where ben left off. your son and daughter-in-law were working for a mission that you and your wife started. you have given of yourself and your family, too. tell us about the situation there and what needs to be done to help these people. yeah, it is terrible. we ve been there 26 years, started missions 24 years ago. the last four years have been complete anarchy, we have no current elected officials, they are by a ruling group trying to help haiti. gangs have stepped in, there is no rule of law, and have taken over. killing the president themselves, i don t know the details, i don t know if a gang or mrit cap opposition, but everybody expected international help would step in then and prime minister two years ago begged for international help saying the gangs had become too strong and were getting unlimited supply of ammo in the country and they said police were outmanned and needed help. a year later, it was approved for international force to come in, we are still waiting for them to get there. what we have experienced is great tragedy, haitian people have been experiencing this f forfour or five years. they are affected by gangs and their family members have been killed by it. carley: my goodness, naomi, your son and daughter were missionaries in the truest sense. they were bringing the word of god despite rest unfolding around them. they were in danger, they voluntarily put themselves in that situation for the greater good. i mean, the character your daughter showed at such a young age, how remarkable is that? it is beautiful. it is truly beautiful to see what they did there and how much they love the culture and the people. carley: ben, before i let you go, at the funeral, you spoke about the moment davy asked permission to marry your daughter. apparently, he was sweating, can you tell us about that? as dad of four daughters, it is next to salvation, most important decision you will make is choosing a spouse for life. it is a big deal, i want to make sure it is the right one and of course, davy was and its amazing how they fit together. carley: your son and daughter were more special than most and god secured a spot in heaven for them on the day they were born. dave and naomi, thank you for joining us and allowing us to remember your children with you. thank you. carley: you re welcome. todd: such absolute strength, those missionaries were doing the lord s work, may the lord watch over that family. carley: thousands attended the funeral. todd: now to this, president biden making an appeal to black voters on june tenth and sparking controversy when he said this. president biden: be clear, they are all ghosts in new g garments trying to take it back and making it harder for black people to vote, closing doors of opportunity, attacking values of diversity, equity and inclusion. todd: oh, boy, joining me now is larry elder. how do you view a false fearmongering statement like that? well, todd, i m old enough to know every republican candidate, republican president in my lifetime has been called a racist. i was 12 years old when barry g goldwater was elected and stifrn of fascismismful is in the air. fast forward to george herbert walker bush. he was called a racist and soros compared him to a propaganda minister of adolf hitler. donald trump has taken it to another level, it is on steroids. that is what democrats do, they have lost the white vote, the way they win elections, tell black people they are perpetual victims and that is what they do. carley: larry, at this j juneteenth ceremony, the president made a speech, cameras were on the president when he appeared to freeze during a performance for quite sometime. it is getting attention this morning. take a look at this. carley: you have the president standing in between the vice and george floyd s brother on the other side of him who wrapped his arm around him to help him out with some time the president being stationary. this video will not help with the age concerns, as well. come on, carley, that was joe biden s version of doing the robot. i believe those debates will not take place. donald trump issued a couple demands, one is joe biden take a drug test. as you know, he was confuse order iraq and ukraine. todd: none of that worked well yesterday to win black votes. shifting gears, surrounding exhibit, honoring victims of nova music festival. chanting long live intifada and at the same moment, this is happening, congresswoman aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez being panned for saying this. watch. at the same time, it is also true that accusations and false accusations of antisemitism are wielded against people of color and women of color by bad faith political actors and weaponizing antisemitism is used to divide us and create a false choice between fight for jewish safety and cause for palestinian self-d self-determination. c todd: are my eyes deceiving me? calling for elimination of israel, celebration at basically a museum that shows artifacts from the day. there is a port-a-potty where you see bullet holes where people did not make it out of those. i guess that is not antisemitism, larry. todd, your eyes do not deceive. anti-defamation league have conducted surveys on antisemitism and blacks that are antisemitism is higher than nonblack serious problem in the democratic party. you have hakeem jeffress jeffers and he wrote a paper in college defending and al sharpton, a democratic king maker with a long list of antisemitism comments. there was riot between blacks and jews in 1991, blacks were assaulting jews and he is on tape saying if the jews want to come to my house, let them do it. serious problem, not just aoc and ilhan omar, long series in the democratic party. todd: larry elder, we thank you. former new york governor an crew cust cuoma will testify before lawmakers in a few hours. carley: cheryl casone will preview his testimony coming up n next. ur skin is ever-changing, take care of it with gold bond s age renew formulations of 7 moisturizers and 3 vitamins. for all your skins, gold bond. maria and julio thought their life would never slow down. then one day, it finally did. you were made to find inner peace. we were made to track flight prices to paradise. we love being outside, but the sun makes our deck and patio too hot to enjoy. now thanks to our new sunsetter retractable awning, we can select full sun or instant shade in just 60 seconds. it s 20 degrees cooler under the sunsetter and we get instant protection from harmful uv rays and sun glare. for pricing starting at less than $1,000, transform your outdoor living space into a shaded retreat your family will love! when you call, we ll rush you a special $200 discount certificate with your free awning idea kit! you ll get your sunsetter for as little as $799. but, this is a limited time offer! for over 20 years, sunsetter has been the bestselling retractable awning in america! call now for this free awning idea kit packed with great awning solutions that will let you enjoy your deck or patio much more often. plus, get this $200 discount certificate that will bring you your sunsetter for as little as $799. but this is a limited time offer. call now! sunsetters are backed with up to a 10-year limited warranty! more than 1 million families in america own and love their sunsetter. now, you too can discover why “life is better under a sunsetter.” it s like putting an extension on your home. and talk about options: choose motorized or manual and for just a little extra, add led lighting for evening enjoyment. there are so many incredible styles to choose from in our free awning idea kit. get a custom-built awning, without the custom-built price! call now to get the whole sunsetter story. you ll get this free awning idea kit. plus, a $200 discount certificate and there s no obligation. with sunsetter, you ll create the ultimate outdoor living space. perfect for entertaining friends. call now for your free awning idea kit, with local dealer info and $200 discount certificate. “life is better under a sunsetter!”act now and save! 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the main reason we do this, give insight into what the building industry really is. and changen the narrative what e think about us as carpenters. this is a great occupation and kids coming up should not be afraid of it. why did you decide to become a welder, you have a big following. i m sure that comes with financial benefit and opportunities, as well. i started my welding career 15 years ago, i ve worked from nuclear power plant to hydro electric turbine units and i want to show that you are not limited by the way you look, you are not in a box everyone wants to put you in. there are no rules. work harvard, try hard and be good at what you do and people will respect you. carley: that is so cool. matt, engagement around your videos is huge. vocational focus community college is on the rise. trade industries are having a moment right now, why do you think that is? i think people are a little tired of going into det with student loans and figuring out how to support families without going through that. trade is great way to do that. carley: cost of college versus cost of trade school is drastic, if anybody, you want to inspire young women who could be interested in following your path. if anybody is listening and heard something you said, follows you on socialia, how should they go about doing it? i went two a two-year school and got a degree in applied science with focus on welding. that started foundation for people believing in me. you can t say i can t do it because i have this degree, i have certifications to prove i can. it speaks to the possibility of graduating with no student debt. i paid through college and graduated with zero student debt. carley: that is fantastic. wall street journal featured both of you saying you are making blue collar cool and we wanted to meet you and hear your story. thank you for joining us. have a great day. todd: don t sell yourself short, i ve seen you weld. carley: secret between me and todd. yeah. have you seen this video of a bull jumping over a fen ce into the rodeo? the woman who recorded it is here to tell you what it was like. todd: here is steve doocy with look at what is coming up top of the hour. you are getting an early birthday present. steve: i learned to weld in high school in the day when they had metal shop. carley: i did take wood shop and i have the key rack i made. todd: me, too. it works. steve: things we keep forever to show our children, look what i made in high school. carley: exactly right. steve: i made a gun rack. i know. fox and friends kicks off in eight minutes and two seconds. we have a busy program on fox and friends . power and senate on the line, stakes are high and nevada state voters head to the polls today for the state s primary election. republican candidate and retired army captain sam brown, sam will join us this morning. also new york city police depend is looking for two migrants that attacked and robbed a tourist and if that is not enough, they were staying in a taxpayer funded shelter. should not work that way. calls are growing to shut down migrant shelters, we ll talk to a democrat who is joinings them. this middle school principal is cracking down on vaping in school. remember smoking in the boys room, now they are vaping. he will tell us about unique punishment he has in store for rule breakers. busy three hours, kicks off seven minutes and 45 seconds from now on the channel you trust for morning news. todd and carley back in a couple, you are watch ing fox and friends first . dinner compreh dinner compreh , . have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? 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[bleep], [bleep] todd: oh my gosh. have you seen these videos yet? shows the moment a bull breaks loose at oregon rodeo jumps the fence and hurts five people in the process. danielle smithers was in the stands and caught it all in camera the shot you saw in the stands. danielle, set the scene for us as you are taking this video. what going through your mind. first of all, good morning, thank you for having me. the first initial thing that i thought was, wow, you can hear me state in the video i m completely in shock. a friend and mine had just been down there in the common area where that bull had jumped moments before returning do our seats. and we were actually standing at the gate to try to get a closer look at the bulls. and the sheriff s department was very diligent in doing their job they looked right at us and said you are either in or out. this is not a safe place for you to be and you need to return to your seats. so we went up and took our seats and i initially started shining my flashlight and swaying with the crowd and turned around and looked at my husband and said this is way too beautiful for me to be shining the light. i m going to stop and i m going to start recording this. and i just happened to catch him right as he was coming out of the gate. todd: unreal. were you scared for your family s safety when you saw this bull do this jump over the fence? my entire family was there. we even had a group of friends there. and i was not scared at all. at that point when that bull escaped i was in probably the safest place that i could have been high in those bleachers. my thoughts did go out to the people that i had initially seen moments before in the common area. todd: those people while injured are not life-threatening injuries. thank god. let s be real, if to the for the quick work of the rodeo crew, how much worse could this have been danielle? it could have been much worse. the rodeo crew i will say was absolutely amazing. they immediately they had been following that bull. they said he was out to get to safe place. they initiated protocol. and i haven t timed the video, but i would say that they had him in less than 30 seconds roped and contained. todd: wow. they were amazing. todd: we got to run. will you bring your family back to the rodeo ever again? 5 seconds to you you, danielle. most definitely. not only the sisters rodeo every year but every other rodeo that is close. we are definite rodeo fans. todd: danielle smithers thank you for that video. the bull was named party bus. more like the bachelor party at the end of the night at the beginning. carley: not a busy would want to be on. todd: fox & friends begins right now. carley: have a good day, everybody. the sitcom begins. brian: sounds liked i should be walking and the kitche
thank you for watching. we were just talking about the summer olympics, it s worth noting, that minutes from now, we will officially be two years out from the 2026 world cup that will take place right here in the u.s. after 30 years, and you can stream all the action live on telemundo and peacock so get your countdown clock started now. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. okay, there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with a probation officer today which is a thing we have to get used to saying. we will talk about what may have come up and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro will talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats talk about trumps conviction and how much? we will start at the supreme court and a mountain of ethics scandal sick out much bigger and it got bigger because of a woman named lauren windsor. she is a progressive actavis was known to approach important republican figures every 10 she s an ally and make lettering statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments reported at the historical society annual dinner, supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in no way that needs to happen through the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of winning . i think you re probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working a way of living together peacefully. it s difficult. there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. it s not like you can the difference. one side or the other is going to win. we heard in a vacuum by someone that those comments may not seem particularly striking but remember alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting the constitution and adjudicating the laws and one of its justices, samuel alito, is telling a stranger at a crowded event that he believes one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromise. following his time on the court, it s no secret which side he believes he is on. look at the past few weeks. justice alito has refused to recuse himself from a january 6 case and the trump immunity case currently sitting before the court even after reports that his home displayed flags with right-wing political symbolism including ago upside down american flag in the days after january 6. alito who built a reputation over the course of years as being tough on crime and unsympathetic to criminal defendants also voiced a newfound empathy for january 6 defendants of all people and donald trump during oral arguments in two cases. take for example the case of a january 6 defendant. alito questions the justice department use of obstruction stature to rescue people involved in the capitol attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could also seek to use it people involved in peaceful demonstration like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. peaceful protest is clearly not the same as people smashing windows and doors to invade the capitol and causing members of congress, never mind the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals we ve all been talking about involving undisclosed is from mega-donors to members of the supreme court, the 11th hour has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal, quote, no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. fairness and impartiality in appearance and action are the principles that judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land, and at least at some point samuel alito knew the. this into an answer to his confirmation hearing in 2006. do you believe there s any room for a judge on value or personal believes when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution and for that matter into the interpretation of statutes. that s not the job we are given. it s not authority we are given. it s not the authority we are given. that s not the job we are given. alito at least knew then what his job he entailed. despite all his actions and statements he also apparently cannot stand those who claim he s not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. saying or implying the court is becoming an legitimate institution are questioning our integrity crosses the line. he wants to be revered as an impartial judge. as this new tape and his time on the bench has shown, especially the last several weeks and months, he s more of a player, actively engaged in one side struggle to win. he has given every reason to expect this from him given these actions that also doesn t mean it s something we should or need to accept. the formal president of the naacp defense fund and the chair in civil rights a howard university and she joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking but as i listen to these tapes, i wanted to know what are you thinking as you are listening. we are all guilty of becoming numb two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. it s a big deal and the cumulative cents, as you point out, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air not surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions, but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision, we have heard him in similar ways. what is it that s disturbing about this particular excerpt of this conversation, there are two things i think. one, the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who we didn t know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it was when she said we have to work to move this country back towards godliness. he said, i agree with you. that to me is a very shocking statement. i do not think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and we need to return to some period in which things were more moral and he was agreeing with her. i do not know what period they were referring to. a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk of keeping black people out of schools. what was the time period? i think all of this, the reason why it s important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard and justice alito raised it himself when he refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. he said because a reasonable person knowing all the facts, that s what he said about the flag controversy. when we probe, we realize we do not know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily the accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave a line that does not add up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice is not impartial. that is the standard for recusal, but we will never get there unless parties actual file motions to recuse. that s why i am hoping this will show the united states which is the party and trump privilege case and others that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices and we will not get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they will not do it. we need to get serious. we also need hearings from the senate judiciary committee to get to the bottom of this. this is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming, and it s not illegitimate to question the legitimacy of the court when we have had this barrage across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. yeah. one of the things it was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today that he said in 2023 and then talk about it with you. it s easy to blame the media, but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. and so, they have really eroded trust in the court. i mean it s pretty rich given his actions and his own words. it s not the first time he s blamed someone else. his wife, everyone attacking him. what is that about? i want to ask you, what should people be doing if they are outraged about this as well? i find this mortifying. i am embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas when he talks about the nastiness in washington, d.c. and we hear what alito. it s the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, s the stream preet supreme court that eroded trust. this teenage refusal to take responsibility for their actions is incredibly alarming and disturbing. i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running an institution and something extraordinary happened that like the dobbs case which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, a decision was leaked to the public. i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it. as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect, look at themselves. why you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? he s making them now that he has been found out. it has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. the media has been quite kind to the supreme court including around the flag issue which we didn t hear until three years later. it is not the media and the justices have to stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in. when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much weaker than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court. i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules they have to follow and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court, and they should do so. we cannot blame this on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but the belief that norms are not. they are not they are not enough and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of the nation s highest court. the norms are no more. lots of homework including from chief roberts. sherrilyn ifill, thank you for joining me. coming up, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about terms conviction and his promises of revenge. the former president of the presumptive nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. it doesn t get normal to say. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it can affect his sentencing. what is cirkul? 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i think what you probably saw, and it s only 30 minutes. it s a short interview, but you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to trotta highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think are mitigating circumstances and things they think are going to show he is dashes supervision. his criminal conduct which he denies, there s no victim here. i think the probation officer needs to look closer because her are victims. the american people were victims by not getting information that he was paying off the adult film star that could have affected the election outcome. other things he will focus on, i was a former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and should take that into account and that s mitigating. he committed some of this crime , signing those checks, to reimburse michael cohen from the oval office. you can argue it s an aggravating factor. he will say he s a first-time offender. who else is a first-time offender? michael cohen and he was sentenced in jail for the same conduct. he will point to the fact he is old. allen weisselberg is essentially the same age and he is in rikers. a lot of the factors i expect todd blanche trotta highlight in this interview and its going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the facts, the trial record showing all those gag order violations, to show he is not following the court s ureters and he will not follow the orders of probation so sentence him to jail. a lot of things to argue. i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning, i believe, during one of these meetings is whether the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who fall into that category. i presume he will say no. i do not know what he said but what if he does associate with convicted criminals? are the repercussions? there are. if he were sentenced to a term probation, there would be terms to that. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. steve bannon for example is somebody was convicted for criminal contempt and has a trial that will start in a few months before judge merchan on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, who he has not pardoned because he pardoned a number of other criminals, he has not pardoned, he would not be able to associate with and these are people that likely involved in his campaign and he would want to associate with. figure he will do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. thank you for explaining this to us and helping us understand it. donald trump is not going to be able to end democracy on his own. he will need help and lots of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff who has chilling plans. josh shapiro joins me to talk about the ways in which the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. ever since a jury of 12 americans convicted donald trump on 34 felony counts, trump and his republican allies used it as an opportunity to spin up their plans for revenge. you know. justifiable retribution against their perceived enemies. what s good for the goose is good for the gander. i encourage all my colleagues as a member of congress to aggressively go after the president and his family. is every house committee controlled by republicans using subpoena power in every way it needs to right now with every republican da starting every investigation they need to now? should democrats be in jail. should he lock them up in jail? would that be a terrible thing. but they want to do it. it s a terrible terrible path they are leading us to and it s possible that it will have to happen to them. so, in their description, as you heard, it s about karma. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over. it s the one far too many writers are running with. in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? but that framing unwittingly lets trump set the terms of the debate and applies he is vowing to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there s a big difference between what happened to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anyone he is mad at. despite what he and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried, and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it presented during the trial. what trump and his allies want is not that kind of deliberative due process. they are not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing. they are trying to reshape the american justice system to make it a tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were major goal for the maga movement longer for trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded this weekend, the washington post published a eye-popping piece on influential figure in trump eye orbit that you might not be familiar with. i had never heard of the guy he there. is a former director of the office of management and budget and his name is russ vought. according to the piece, he s a potential chief of staff in a trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist who departs at the heritage foundation project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch in a trump presidency. in september 2022, before trump got indicted or entered the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying the left dragged american 28, quote, constitutional moment saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to, quote, throw up residents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last two 200 years. in their place he laid out plans for, quote, donald trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, seize control over the justice department, and this is the power to withhold congressional appropriations. is just on his first day back in office. he s not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd, quote, the department of justice is not an independent agency. if anyone brings it up in a policy meeting, i want them out of the meeting. this is the larger picture outside of the news cycle and latest public and cash republican reactions. the republican line of fight fire with fire you hear over and over again is really cover for a frightening plan to overhaul the justice system and the executive branch at large. by the way, it predates trump s convictions and indictments. it s what they ve had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me next. switch to shopify and sell smarter at every stage of your business. take full control of your brand with your own custom store. scale faster with tools that let you manage every sale from every channel. and sell more with the best converting checkout on the planet. a lot more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. oooh! i can t wait for this family getaway! shingles doesn t care. shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. ahhh, there s nothing like a day out with friends. that s nice, but shingles doesn t care! 99% of adults 50 years or older already have the virus that causes shingles inside them, and it can reactivate at any time. a perfect day for a family outing! guess what? 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the system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws or we would we prefer where the president can prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them. the election will be about a lot of things. that is definitely one of them. joining me is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, previously the state attorney general. i am grateful you are here. i want to start with i laid out. this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing but they are telling supporters is simply fighting fire with fire. you did something it to our guy and we will come after you. to me, when you look at the specifics of their plans, it feels like that s not the right description. it s not just revenge but a plan to reshape the system to go after their enemies. last week you said something that struck me. you said i am scared to death the fees in charge of the system. i want to ask you what you mean by that or what do you expect, what worries you what could happen to the system? i am deeply concerned by this system. it s why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge, back in charge of the justice system, back in charge of our military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. a cut and paste job if you will. i remember this from my time as attorney general, he complains, he bemoans the fact that he lost and makes up excuses and tries to pivot away from personal responsibility. i was the attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his allies took us to court 43 different times to stop certain people from voting and stop vote from being cast. he went sero-43. we protected the will of law and the people. trump wants to come back and as he said exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that are trying to get his perceived enemies should scare all americans. it s another example of the kind of chaos that he would inflict on the country if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law, respects our institutions. trump tried to undermine our faith in one another and faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope we don t let him get away with it in 2024 and i will do everything in my power to ensure he is not successful and our institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think when people hear that, they think it s a reshuffling of the government. what does it mean? i talked about russ vought, this figure in trump s world. he could be his chief of staff. who s. this is a man who has openly said he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i want to ask you, what is the danger of that? sometimes it feels like bureaucracy but it s more than that. it s a lot more than bureaucracy. it s dangerous if he controls the bureaucracy as well. think of the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who did not do anything wrong but are his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with. the products they are selling the manner in which they are conducting themselves. to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties and rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts. essentially, have his way with the good people of this nation, which should scare everybody. in 2016 after donald trump was running, he and most people didn t know what they were doing and there were a few people around him the provided guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people who might provide those guardrails, they are gone and a lot of the dangers people around him know how the bureaucracy works. knows how the justice system works and knows how the military works. if he is given the opportunity to lead the nation again with this people around him who want to do real danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that s not the chaos we want in this country. it s the people who know how to manipulate it and the plans being written and a lot are online. keeping with the legal discussion, want to ask about the supreme court. we talked about the supreme court and justice samuel alito and this audio where he agreed there should be a fight to return the country to a place of godliness. this comes on the heels of reporting of a flag outside his house that s associated with january 6 and serious ethical scandals around thomas. lots of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i want to ask you, what is the solution? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away a woman s right to choose. in order to meet my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today than they were born with. this is purposeful on donald trump s part to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people who have their own agendas. justice alito is showing his agenda. by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. you want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito s and clarence thomas s to the court? you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? justice thomas wrote in that opinion that abortion is really just the beginning. the fundamental reasoning, foundational reasoning used to overturn it could be applied in other ways. could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love and undermine her ability to take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i fear this was just the beginning and of donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again, but more those justices on the court, it will not only set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in this election. while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, and it s a binary choice. don t let anybody tell you there are others on the ballot who have no chance of winning. it s a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden, but in many ways it s not about those two. it s about the country we want for ourselves whether we value freedom, whether we care about our institutions, whether we believe that we have to move forward to brighter days are go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and reflection on all of us and we have a responsibility to turn out and get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we ve seen on the supreme court and in the white house with trump and instead stand up for freedom. stand up for our fundamental values that continue to move the country forward. i have to ask you about pennsylvania. in addition to a legal expert, you are a governor and you know your state well. it has not been that long since these convictions stash we have seen impact in the polls. there s a lot of things on the ballot and on voters minds. is you talk to voters, do you think trump s convictions is going to be an issue that will influence people to are on the fence or have it come to joe biden at this point in your state? i don t know how the conviction will ultimately play out. the good people of pennsylvania, they care whether in rural or urban or suburban communities about basic things. they want good schools. safe communities. economic opportunities and they want their freedoms to be protected. you know what? i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a bunch of whining about this country. i think trump has to quit whining and trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than ever before in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world, and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than at any other time in the nation my ski history. i ve got a message to donald trump and his negativity and whining, stop talking about america. it s the greatest country on earth and it s time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. understand we ve got a whole lot going for us, and it s time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. not listen to the whining of the former president and instead focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. that s a good message. thank you so much. i always enjoy talking to you. big story to tell. i take once-daily jardiance at each day s staaart. as time went on it was easy to seeee, i m lowering my a1c! jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. jardiance is really swell the little pill with a big story to tell! we don t know how many americans will be moved by donald trump s conviction when it s all said and done. there are some early signs that the verdict be swaying some former trump voters. this is what we heard from two time trump voters in a focus group. criminals should not be in charge. if they violate the laws, then they should be subject to exactly the same rose that all of us expected to abide to. he should serve jail time. penalty for the crime. they will negotiate and renegotiate and maybe he won t serve time, but he will get more time on television right here at election time. to underscore, that s two time trump voters saying lock him up. you just saw sarah, she conducted the focus group you just heard. dan is a former communications director for president barack obama. i want to start with the thing stash we only played one clip but that was from the two time trump voters who want trump held accountable it sounds like. the big leap year is they want him to be held accountable but are they turned off by trump or will they vote for biden instead or do we know that yet? in this particular group, five of the nine people in the group all of them two time trump voters, five were going to vote for biden. i think there s a lot of people who think somebody who voted for donald trump twice seem like a long shot for getting them to vote for biden. it s important to understand that for a section of voters who held their nose and vote for donald trump twice, and then saw what happened on january 6, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already that was a redline for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from, and i hear this a lot from two time trump voters who are really upset by january 6, i m not going to vote or i will leave it blank. for some voters with the conviction did as he got them to a place where they said this guy is unfit to be in the white house so i will vote for biden not because i want to vote for him or because i want to vote for a democrat because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection especially with swing voters who are center-right, for them you re not building a pro joe biden coalition. you re building a anti-trump coalition. as trump gets back in people s consciousness which is a lot of what s happening with the conviction, people are remembering, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters before they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they do not like about trump. it so interesting to watch her focus groups. dan, you and i know well there s big moments in campaigns. we have seen the campaign sharpening the rhetoric around the convictions. there s a difference between what the campaign says, and what the candidates say. when you look to the debate coming up, a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to those voters and base voters who are not excited. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. calling him convicted felon as many times as possible and trying to win again points. that s not a good use. the conviction is a critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus groups tell us we should be telling about trump which is he is in this for himself. he is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy and help himself and his rich friends and exact revenge on enemies. that me first attitude is what got him in trouble to begin with. you have to take this conviction, it caused people to break out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention then tell it to use to talk the broader story. use it in a disciplined, calm way that does not allow trump to drag you when the mud. that makes sense to me. sarah, i want to ask a similar question. there s a couple different audiences biden has to appeal to. is there anything that the president could say during the debate about the convictions that would turn them off? anything that would be a trigger about it? when it comes to swing voters, the thing for biden is not the message. it s how he says it. for them, they want to see joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. this is where trump wins often times. he has lunatic energy that makes him seem more the fishes, more aggressive, and sometimes when you listen to voters as they get into the strong weak framing where trump is bad and strong but biden is okay but weak. he has to show some strength. he cannot just say conviction over and over but he has to go on offense. the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show he is ready to go. it s not the name-calling of convicted felon but able to say this man is unfit and i am good to go. you ve got to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it s about the vibes i am hearing. i want to ask about your sub stack encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should subscribe to it. it. hi, i m amanda and i lost 37 pounds with golo. so i m a hair stylist and i m on my feet all of the time. with golo i have more energy. i m able to work and stand on my feet 10 hours a day and to me golo means a happier life a more successful life. a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. that does it for me tonight. tonight. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new west
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the georgia congressional candidate who just walked off the stage in the middle of a debate all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive. look at the us capitol on this tuesday morning good morning, everyone and kasie hunt. it s wonderful to have you with us samuel alito s private beliefs apparently exposed in a secretly recorded audio tape, the conservative supreme court justice seeming to endorse a fight to return our country to a place of godliness and quote it was a liberal activist and filmmaker who secretly recorded the justice and his wife at a supreme court historical society dinner earlier this month people in this country, we re leaving that, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bottling names. i agree with important to underscore during that dinner, the activists misrepresented herself. she claimed to be a religious conservative the executive director of the supreme court historical society issued this statement on monday saying, quote, we condemn any sort surreptitious recordings of justice s at the event which is inconsistent with the entire spirit of the evening. attendees are advised that discussion of current cases, cases decided by current sitting justices or justices, jurors, pure prudence is strictly prohibited and may result in forfeiture of membership in the society earlier. in the conversation, the activist told alito that she didn t think that the right could negotiate with the left. here was his response one. side or the, other. there can be a way of working, our way of living together it s different because they re differences fundamental things that really can t comment so it s not like you re going to see what the difference a little hard to hear their finals here. molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, meghan hayes, former special assistant to president biden, and matt gorman, the former senior adviser to the tim scott presidential campaign. welcome to all of you molly ball. this of course, i think underscores the pressure that alito is at the moment in our highly charged political environment where the justices are about to decide whether or not donald trump is immune in the january 6 case clearly, he s in a situation where he is responding in the affirmative to someone he is encountering at a party and yet the remarks are still illuminating in terms of how he thinks about things. yeah. i mean, i think as you said on the one hand, we ve all done the thing where someone approaches you that you don t know and you just kinda play along. you just sort of say you re agreeing with whatever it is that they re saying. i m either end it s no surprise to anyone that he s a conservative right, and that he does view, society as, as somewhat corrupted by a lack of godliness or i wouldn t be surprised to hear him say any of those things in a judicial opinion for example. so it s all pretty broadly consistent with the judicial philosophy and the political philosophy that we know that he subscribes to. i think also the fact that the recording is coming out tells you that increasingly the supreme court is being treated as another political branch of government. the people are sending trackers after them basically like they would with a political candidate monitoring their every utterance and looking through it for potentially damaging or politically useful bits of audio that, that can be used against them in what s essentially become a full-time political campaign. and that i think as we and others have reported, has contributed to a very high level of tension and division on the court itself has made it increasingly difficult to function. yeah, it s it s speaking of division on the court itself. i mean in this highly fraught moment that we find ourselves in as a country where there does seem to be this kind of looming question about violence. certainly we have had more violence in our politics in recent years than we had seen in another monitor campaigns with what happened on january 6, john roberts was also approached by this activist and he approached this very differently and it underscores a little bit of tension on the court as molly was just touching on. again, john roberts, appointed by george w bush. he is the chief justice. he is also a conservative but has carved out a much different kind of role for him self on the court. so when he was approached by this activist and some of these same themes of godliness. the question i believe was is the us a christian nation? here s how john roberts responded since i put here a little 20 years, i ve been quieter times but the idea that the court is in the middle of a lot of tumultuous stuff going on. that s nothing new. the civil war, we did that very vietnam. you people getting killed and i was there. this is all right. i mean, it s it s not all right. but it s not like it s dramatic medically different people that s a common thing. people, their own perspective like this is so slow ordinary i don t know. heed the christian nation question. robert s actually responded that he has jewish friends, muslim friends who might disagree with that. he went on to talk about it a little bit, but megan haze, there. he was saying he was talking about other cataclysmic periods in our history, the civil war vietnam basically saying that we re going to be all right in the end. what is your view of all of this? and the way it s an unfolded, but particularly this difference between alito roberts here. yeah. i mean, i do think that we re gonna be all right. our democracy is built to survive and hopefully it will survive regardless of who wins the election in november. but i do think that there is a difference here, and i think that there was a difference. if you listen to alito s wife and how she responds and her reaction system of the questions that she got are also extremely stark. and so just just goes to show how these justices are thinking and how that they are forming their opinions. and it is, it is quite different and it is jarring when you hear their responses. let s listen to a little bit of what martha alito also who was approached by the same activist again, here s a little bit of what she had to say you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly and he s like, oh, please don t put several my heritage come after me away. it doesn t have to be away. debris don t worry about it okay. she also said that justice alito doesn t control her at one point. but you don t seem to admit their that he did ask her not to put up a flag in this case. definitely go we put the flag up let me look at this whole thing. i saw on twitter the person lauren windsor put up, that this is gonna be a big undercover storage tweeted out, tease that out. before it came out. and then when it came out like this, this is what this is. i mean, this was the same person that was the one reported by the intercept who sent the kind of democratic activists to charlottesville, dresses neo-nazi would tiki torches to kind of stand outside the glenn youngkin s yvette. but with the lincoln project. so i m not getting i m not surprised by this, but i will say that i think a lot of what molly said his right. it s also just his religious philosophy makes no bones that he s a devout christian now, i was at church over the weekend and a lot of those same themes. it s country but more about the world gold and sin and godliness. those same themes or what kinda prevalent. church, i m really not surprised. i mean, i think that the piece of it that i really i got caught on was where he seems to go on and say that there may not be a way to resolve these differences ever, which i suppose is part of what you re saying. i mean, it s it s again, i think we stepped back from the politics of it. i think the way the christians look at it is sin and whatever faith i m not putting it very eloquently. the priesthood better job in his homily over the weekend. but but no, i think that is more of the way that he was talking about it for me again, he s devout christian. i don t really see what the the big thing is, megan, but these people, i just think our supreme court justices sort of need to rise above this. and i agree with molly that like we ve all been in a situation where you just like nod and say, but he went further and then when his wife s comments, it just shows that like they re they re not viewing themselves as above and making laws for our country. it was his faith like it was not, it was not about politics. they re talking to say, it also she was goading him. she would want to introduce scholarliness into it. she was the one that he s just agreeing. yeah, i agree. like it s these ideas weren t germinated on their own. she was leading him. i don t agree with what she did. i think it s terrible and i think both sides do it and i think it s awful. i don t think we d be putting a lot more women pre haven t talked about project verisign s 09 and rightfully so i m fine, but the amount of media saturation i didn t read the new york times is covering this now it s ridiculous. who would never do this. it was james o keefe and practice, but that s not true. but i just think we owe nine we haven t done a sense so charade with acorn, that was the last time we actually my diary. i think we all project or testis sorry, because very, very different when there was a negative garrett ziegler who is sitting in court that clearly act when there was a new york times article on straight reporting, what was it ashley biden s journal. i don t remember it. like there was with this. i will be honest in this particular question, but i do think the big picture here. i mean, i think you guys are actually both an agreement what people should do is not correct this you know, i just i think molly to the big picture point this really underscores even farther just the 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the virtual interview and was described as polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers. that s according to a new york city official familiar with the interview, trump even told the officers to be safe at the end of the session his approach might have something to do with the fact that his demeanor and cooperation could influence the judge s decision on sentencing de the hearing comes as his campaign moves forward with a more shall we say traditional process of selecting a vice presidential running mate? all of them have been asked to submit documents to be vetted you re not at that level yet? well, we ll look they argue they ve asked us for a number of things. i think that a number of people have been asked to submit this in your taxes or something i don t know everything but yeah, i mean, certainly like, have you committed a crime? i ve ever lied about this have you ever committed a crime? a matt gorman? apparently not. okay. for the vp i know what we laugh. i know we laugh. it does it does make sense why you d ask that. i mean, it does it does. i did the first of that of paul ryan when it was selecting his vp we re at the point now, where you re bringing in not just the candidate, but the family, the accountants, the lawyers, and you are asking we were just trying to get to the central question. number one, do we know everything about this person that we need to know? number one and number two if we don t, what is it that we don t know and trying to get that. so the candidate, no matter who it is, can evaluate and make a decision because let s face it this way, right? we know trump is indicted on four things, felt guilty on 153 others, right? in the limited space, we don t want a new one coming out all of a sudden that they can t price in that they don t have an awareness of. it does seem like an acknowledgment that committing crimes as bad, which the president has so far not seemed to want to cop to i don t think they have formally conceded that point but no, i mean, to matt s point, it s less about any particular dealbreaker than about not being surprised, right? that s what s running processes for it s just anything that s in there. the campaign wants to know in advance so they can get out ahead of it if that s the case or just again, just not to be surprised by something, it s one thing to say, oh, this came up in his first campaign and he had a good explanation for it, or the voters didn t seem to care. and so it s known part of someone s bio, it s another thing for it to be, you know, late october and all of a sudden you re finding out that someone was arrested for a felony 30 years ago, that they neglected to tell anybody about, and it becomes a big news cycle. i will just say that it also seems to underscore the difference between donald trump and the rest of the political universe where gravity still seems to apply even if it doesn t donald trump. all right, coming up next, hunter biden s fate in the 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week, fort myers to miami, even northward into fort pierce, some of our rainfall accumulation maps pick up more than a foot of rain through the end of week that would be very localized, but nonetheless, that could cause some problems. now the other big story has been the heat over the southwestern us, over 20 million americans, including fetus ics to las vegas. some authorities there warning people to avoid sun exposure from 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. tonight, casey is busy. yeah, i don t like that. aren t are weatherman, derek van dam, derrick. thank you. see you tomorrow coming up next here. the fate of the president s son now in the hands because of the jury plus another monk shop for a trump ally assignments are going on. and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die and i thought that was it filing earth with liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn what would you like to pay for your hotel room tonight? 185, 169 or $155? same room. same surface, just different prices it s really 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courtroom. choices have consequences. and that s why we re here later. hunters defense attorney argued the prosecutors case was similar to a magician s trick, adding quote, there is nothing there. joining me now from wilmington, delaware is alex thompson, the national political reporter for it? axios, who has been covering this trial day in and day out. alex, wonderful to see you how just catch us up with what you saw in court yesterday during these closing arguments. and i want to dig into how the family in particular is playing into this because my understanding is the jurors were told not to be intimidated by the fact that it s the families the president of the united states yes. so yesterday you saw bolt very lengthy closing arguments, i believe abbe lowell hunter biden s lawyer when for about 87 minutes and then the prosecution got two shots at it and they probably got about the same about 87 minutes. and to your other points the prosecution said, if they have not proven that hunter biden was a crack addict than no one is a crack addict. and it got a little chip between the two sides. abbe lowell at one point said that the prosecution had been quote enormously cruel two naomi biden hunter biden s daughter, the president s granddaughter, and how they cross-examined tr the government came right back and said it was then who put her on the stand that put her in that position. and it was hunter biden who according to text messages tom had been erratic and texting in the middle of the night and had i think they ve put it as said, blowing her off and so it got very personal in terms of how the family yesterday was the most family that we have seen in this trial. you had aunts, uncles cousins, the cousins, spouses. it was at least a full thing and it was interesting that both sides, in their closing arguments made you made allusions to the family. now, abbe lowell hunters lawyer has been really trying to portray hunter as a family person and has been referencing the family as as part of that that he is just i think one of you, whereas the prostitution is basically saying what? you just alluded to, which is don t be intimidated. this is not these people are not evidenced. these people are not really part of the trial how would you describe kind of the the mood among the biden family members who attended from what? you could observe it, what did what did that feel like yeah. i think they you can see a little bounce in their step after abbe lowell s closing, having just a fulsome 87 minute defense from of hunter when i think a lot of the family feels he has just been hit day after day after day for the last several years and i think i even saw bowel biden, the president, sister give them a go, give abby go, get them. right? right afterward. but after at the very end i don t think the family likes being at felony trial for joe biden s son, and you could tell there were certainly moments ashley biden in particular, the president s daughter and hunter sister has you been very emotional at moments in this trial having to leave at some point, plate lots of tears. and you can tell it s been harder on some than on the others. one of the arguments that came up was about hallie biden one of the attorneys said quote, poor hallie biden knew had to be dragged through this period of her life. again, who understandably did not remember a lot of the details well she remembering what she saw that day or dozens of other days when she too was using if you notice, she could remember what the prosecutors asked her. the prosecutors are also gave her immunity, but not so much for any number of things so that that i guess coming from from abbe lowell well, it clearly they felt like they needed to defend other members of the family. two, how did that fit in this been a key part of hunter biden strategy from the very beginning, which is to really try to undermine the credibility of hallie biden, who s beau s widow, who is also his sister-in-law. and the reason is because her testimony he is, very very troubling if you re a hunter, biden, the fact is that she was the one that found the gun. she and when she testified that when she went into the truck, she found crack cocaine, paraphernalia, suggesting that he had been smoking very recently, that she found powder that day, which also suggested he d been using am was the one that he was texting during the period he had the gun in which he said that he was smoking crack and this goes to a larger sort of dynamic within both the defense and the prosecution, which you at the very end of the day beyond the facts that case, i think it will really come down to you. do you relate to hunter biden or do you resent hunter biden and the prosecutor? the hunters team at basically wants to make you think he s a family man that he was suffering from a disease that he s one of you in delaware home grown. whereas the defense is saying no, this is a bad guy. this is the guy that what the little details that he was trying hundred $51,000 in cash withdrawal and just three months that he was a millionaire, that he was yael educated, that he gave $800 to his 24-year-old girlfriend to buy clothes for his daughters. these little details that are meant to portray a different sort of person and that may end up being the difference maker with this jury all right. alex thompson for us this morning. alex. thank you very much for that. meghan hayes, can i ask you, you know, someone who s been in the biden family orbit? how this all mean as alex said, that they entire family has shown up for him at this trial. understandably, but it s gotta be weighing on the president who of course has not made an appearance at the courtroom. yeah. i mean, i don t think anybody hit this table. be surprised. a hunter is at the forefront of the presence minor, it adds, it s an extremely challenging situation. he s a dad first and foremost, i think he said that in his statement, but i do think that this is someone who is an addict. he is a recovering addict right now and i think that the family is concerned and i think that s showing up to be supportive of him. i think that s what families do is show up and support people when in their time of need. all right. let s turn now to the 2024 campaign trail where donald trump de, virtual mark remarks yesterday to the danbury institute it is a conservative christian group. they call abortion, quote, child sacrifice, and quote the greatest atrocity facing our generation today trump, who just two months ago said abortion should be left to the states, didn t explicitly mentioned abortion during his remarks. that s an admission that for the presumptive nominee of the republican party says a lot about the politics of this issue in a post-dobbs, america. instead, trump said this we are a seriously declining nations, seriously serious and so sad. i know that each of you is protecting those values every day and i hope we ll be defending them side-by-side for your next four years. these are going to be your years so matt gorman, i mean, he obviously is trying to tell them something that they want to hear, but to not mention abortion at a group like this. i mean, it just shows what a tough position any republican is in, in a world where the protections of roe means that, well, if you say life begins at conception, suddenly are threatening. everything including in vitro fertilization. note we look at it, i think abortion is probably the best issue for democrats and it makes the most sense for him to run on it. and i think it doesn t make sense also for trump to give more grist to anything and that they re going to use against them already in a campaign. and i think what this is, i m more and more convinced that this an election in the sanctuary to come down either the economy hovering above all, an immigration on the right, abortion and left competing as the single issue crawl over broken glass type issues for voters. and which one wins out last couple years exceed abortion went out, could happen again, immigration has been very salient, loved what happens, and i think that s gonna tell us its substrate election. well, and i think the debate that i m hearing among my republican sources about how they and their candidates should message the abortion issue is very similar to it. why here democrats talking about immigration? the question is, do you try to keep it off the agenda and not talk about it in the hopes that you can raise the salience of some other issue, right. so if you re a democrat to ignore immigration and just tried to talk about abortion where you feel like you have a better message there is a school of thought, i think in both of these camps that says no, you have to go at it. you have to say to voters, i understand why you think this is important and here is my position so that they re not left guessing. so republicans have been having this active debates since the fall of roe, saying we do have to have a message for voters about abortion. we do have to have something to say to them. otherwise, we re just going to get clobbered and i think you ve seen democrats on immigration, the same thing. a lot of candidates have tried to avoid the issue, but there is a new conventional wisdom on the democratic side that says if you do that you re just gonna get killed on this issue. that is important to so many voters. you do need to have some kind of positive message, even if it s not necessarily going to be popular because in both cases, the parties are on the wrong side of these respective issue really interesting way to think about it, okay the house rules committee meets today to consider holding attorney general merrick garland in contempt. we re going to talk about that with a member of the committee recovery can ralph norman of south carolina plus donald trump questioning whether taylor swift is a legit liberal the most anticipated moment the election and the stakes couldn 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guilt.com today all right. 46 minutes past the hour. here s your morning round up. this just in the plane carrying malawi s vice president, malawi s vice president, and nine other people has been found. everyone on board was killed the plane went missing monday after it failed to make a scheduled landing president biden set to addressing major gun violence prevention conference in dc today, nearly two years after signing the first federal gun safety legislation to be passed in decades there you have it. rudy giuliani is mug shot after he posted a $10,000 bond in his election interference case in arizona donald trump s former lawyer showing no remorse as he left court do you have any regrets about what you did in arizona after the election? oh, my goodness. no. why not? very, very proud. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history when just say there was no evidence of any of the things that he just said there, giuliani pleaded not guilty in may to nine felony charges stemming from his alleged role in arizona s fake electors scheme the port of baltimore is open for business now as the shipping lane into the harb fully reopened last night for the first time since the francis scott key bridge was hit by a cargo ship and collapsed in march from all those folks all right. let s turn now to capitol hill where the house rules committee will meet today to decide whether to advance contempt charges against attorney general merrick garland over his refusal to provide lawmakers the audio of president biden s interview with special counsel robert hur after her found the biden mishandled classified documents but would likely present to a jury as a quote, sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory and quote, the gop led push comes just a week after garland testified before congress, where he said this i will not be intimidated. and the justice department will not be intimidated and training. now, it s south carolina republican congressman ralph norman. he sits on the house rules committee a powerful one in the house. congressman. good morning. thank you for being here. my pleasure bladder be ready. so the attorney general, merrick garland has a new washington post opinion piece that s out this morning and he writes in that piece quote, disagreements about our politics are good for our democracy. they are normal. but using conspiracy theories, falsehoods, violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. the short-term political benefits of those tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country continued unfounded attacks against the justice department s employees are dangerous for people safety, they are dangerous for our democracy. and they must stop. what do you have to say to his argument there attorney general garland is let s just say it s laughable. what he s taking party and he s not above the law. he says he s not going to be intimidated it s very simple. why don t think he s arguing that he s above you re saying he s not above the law in the context of the contempt charges around that that you are considering what what he s not above the law in is when congress has every right, an article one the whole committees that investigates the doj in any other agency. and what we asked for is the sense that president biden had an interview with robert hur asking for the audio tapes very, very simple. the audio tapes and he won t. they initially started back in february of this february 5th and we asked for the audio tapes which do exist and on february 16, the doj under the guidance of merrick garland said they weren t going to meet the timeline. they extended the timeline. so and then finally they came back and said there s no justifiable reason why you need the audio tapes that the biden has already waived executive privilege by printing the the interview so they re just want to tape to see if they match up with what s being reported. they redacted several parts of it. so but and it s saying he s not above the law. he s going to be in contempt. we will pass it, i think in the rules and will hold him accountable like he s doing every every other person has got an arb aside, their name and you re going to learn from the tapes that you can t learn from the transcripts the tapes were backup, will either justify what has been the the transcript say or they won t. do you think actually tampered with a the transcripts? is that what you re saying? we have no idea until we get them. they haven t. that s what attorney general garland refuses to turn over is very simple. turn turn the tape over, and so we can see if it matches with the transcripts either does or does it? and do you think that you have in the full house to hold the garland in contempt oh, i have no idea. we ll see what the evidence we will have testimony today that are probably last six to eight hours. you have a democratic witness, you have republican witness. james calmer well, it may be jim jordan, but one of the two will present what they re finding is, but it s very simple. turn over the tapes that will either validity the transcripts or they won t and let us see it congressman, i want to talk politics with you for a little while. your state, of course, has famously sharp-elbowed to put it politely, i would say politics, nancy mace congresswoman, who voted to oust kevin mccarthy facing a primary challenge today. could you underscore clarify for me who it is you re supporting in this primary. and do you think that mayes is going to hang on? i hadn t come out on either side. i know both. and i serve with nancy, catherine templeton was headed de heck under nikki haley who i like i think nancy will win this race, but i hadn t come out publicly for either one of them. i get involved in a lot of races but on this particular one, i decided just to let the low country decide who they want and net nancy s got a track record and catherine templeton has a record of so why once you endorse your college, you re not endorsing nancy mace. i mean, that s pretty normal worthy as typically y all incumbents usually stick together well, i didn t come out against are either. i just said let the voters decide and the low countries has a lot of different issues that they re passionate about. and i let them decide it and i m from the upstate and i did get involved. am involved with the timmons morgan rice. i came out against william terman s and but on the nancy may just decide to stay out of that sir, before i let you go we ve heard president former president trump. obviously, he has campaigned. we ve heard him say earlier in the show that america is a declining nation this is something that he talks about all the time. the governor of pennsylvania, which is a key swing state. he s a democrat but he had a different message about what he thinks republican should be saying about america. i want you to listen to what governorship hero said, and then i want to get your reaction on either side. watch all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country. so i got a message to donald trump and all his negativity in his whining stops barking. america. this is the greatest country on earth, and it s time that we all start acting like it i m going to say, sir i m a patriotic american. do you does he have a point president trump as does the american people see what s happening to america. he is exactly right? look at what s happening in this country. talk to the average voter out there who is very upset with inflation. they re very upset with the 13 to 15 million illegals coming into this kind. would you still the greatest country on earth as many politicians often have it once was the greatest country on earth. we in the rapid decline, it s not anymore three-and-a-half years of this biden administration. pardon me. it s not anymore in which country would you say is greater than the united states of america? well, unless we get our financials in order, unless we stopped spin in, printing money, will we cannot continue what we have been in the past, which is a shining city on a hill, and the director result of the liberal policies that this administration has continues to put, put the american people through immigration, is leading the pack on. this is he s breaking the constitution. he s destroying the values in this country. so i think the american people show that at the pose all right, i sold them have the name of another country that s greater than the united states of america. congressman ralph north on norman, excuse me, ralph norman, thank you so much, sir, for being here. i really appreciate your time. my pleasure. all right, let s turn now to this i m still feature when i walk in the room why wouldn t we talk about taylor swift? and we can talk about taylor swift. she apparently has a new admirer in donald trump. in an interview for a forthcoming book about the former president trump raved about the pop star s looks, telling the writer quote, i think she s beautiful, very beautiful. i find it very beautiful. i think she s liberal. she probably doesn t like trump. i hear she s very talented. i think she s very beautiful actually unusually beautiful trump, however, clearly seemed unable to forget his bad blood with swift over her 2020 endorsement of joe biden and throwing into question her political beliefs that she is liberal or is that just an act he asked during the interview, she s legitimately he liberal, it s not an act. it surprises me that a country star can be successful being liberal meghan. i mean, i think it s creepy the way he continues to talk about how pretty women are that are significantly younger in age, very much younger. but that being said, i think that he he doesn t want to upset the swifties. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties. but i think it s very big. part of why we re talking about her. madame mean, disagree with me if you want to but she is actually probably the one celebrity. i think that actually has the power to move inefficient number of probably right? yeah, i think it s a matter of now whether she would ever want to get involved, i think in 2020, 2016, were i think we talked to this couple weeks ago, different time for celebrities inject themselves some politics become political actors very different now, outtake donald trump taylor swift, like it s like the page clicks like big bang, massive forces together for this this explosion. i hope for it. but yeah, i don t think she needs it out really good about i don t think he needs to go out and like i support you biden. she was already did that and then also in her documentary, if she s already said where she stands on a lot of issues and like wind to our family and said, i mean, so i don t think anyone s questioning where she stands politically here, but yeah. so i mean, i think he gets kind of i don t think she needs out really get involved, but i think it like donald trump as like a celebrity, celebrity pundit, right? like a celebrity handicap or he is really encapsulating so where she stands in like the firmament of sort of pop culture, right? yeah. he clearly has spent more time looking at her than listening to her. she hasn t been a country star for a long time as my swift the daughter could certainly the idea that like people don t necessarily see her as a political figure. and that s why a potential endorsement for her is so powerful, right? because to her legions of fans who just love her no matter what, the things that she says are, can resonate outside that political sphere. and that s why i think she does have the power to potentially move votes is even though she does have this history of endorsed pressing liberal politicians and taking liberal positions, she is not, i think pigeonholed as just sort of hollywood liberal, liberal celebrity. and so she s able to speak in an authentic way to her following it hearkens back to a funny time where donald trump was on twitter like talking about robert patents and kristen stewart member that ten years ago, remember this is very much like the page six, new york celebrity gossip world he had spent 30 years in. this is almost in a way like a very pure version of donald trump, like gossiping about celebrities. yeah, no it s, it s, it s it s donald trump, maggie haberman has been cut yeah. all right. i will leave you with this oh like she s still got it. courtney cox, letting the world know. she s still has the moves that she showed off in bruce springsteen s video for dancing in the dark, the friends star joining a social media trend where kids ask their parents to show them how they danced in the 1980s, cox famously appeared in springsteen s 1984 and music video. jumping on stage to boogie with the boss molly ball has your daughter made you do this yet no 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that is tonight s last word. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as his sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is now in the jury s hands. why he declined to take the stand. kerr is here speaking out as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night: good evening, once again, we are now 148 days away from the election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump fresh off of his guilty verdict sat for a presentencing interview. nothing standard with how it was held. trump got permission to attend virtually from florida and have his attorney present. trump has been complaining for months about a 2-tier system of justice and he is absolutely right. as new york public defenders pointed out today most people do not get to log in remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as far as what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about things like financial resources, mental health and any links to convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime that you are convicted of. meanwhile n delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made their closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is my colleague with more. reporter: tonight, it is in the hands of the jury. six men, six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden. the first child of a sitting president to be charged with a crime. many of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence said leo wise while gesturing in the courtroom and in the direction of jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence, he said, adding no one is above the law. the special counsel is accused the president s son of liing on a federal background check, checking that he is not an active drug user to purchase a gun. they used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden s drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october of 2018. hunter biden s ex-wife found drug paraphernalia and his ex- girlfriend who wasidating him at the time said is he was using crack all of the time. the evidence was necessary. the defense attorney gude the prosecution focused far too much on his drug abuse over a 4- year period and no one witnessed drug use during the window of time he purchased a gun. with that let s get smarter with the help of our lead off this evening. reporter with the washington post,, sam stein is here. a journalist and white house editor for politico, and former new york prosecutor charles coleman jr is here. a big legal night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer today, help us understand the purpose of these interviews, how do they usually go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? reporter: stephanie, when your probation officer will be asking you questions what they are trying to understand is basically what is your set up around your life? how do you live? what your financial resources are, what is the impact of the sentence if a judge decides for example to send you to jail. are there other people depending on you, put in a bad position? by that, are you associating with other criminals that we know in the case of trump. he is, we can go down the long list, roger stone, many others, flin, the list goes on and on. most importantly, the most important that they are looking to ascertain, and you talked about it in your lead in, if you have any understanding and appreciation for the crime that you are committed of. donald trump has a difficult tight rope to toe when it comes to this given everything given in the public around this, rather than what he knows prosecution by the da s office. that will be something that will be hard for him to get around. ultimately the report will be something that the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimately imposed. the da s office is making a recommendation of trump s attorney, going to argue as lenient of a sentence as possible. sam, trump is arguing for months and months and months. a two tier justice system. there is. it is benefiting him. we got to meet virtually, his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he is always saying i am doing this for you i am standing here for you. but if any trump supporters were in his position they would not get these special privileges, why do they keep buying this? reporter: well, you are absolutely right. we wrote about that in politico, too, when you think of the gag order various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what would have been done for any other person in the justice system. trump is a unique person in the justice system that he is a former president running for president currently. it makes sense some leeway is given to him in that regard. the justice system works in this favor in this case. i would argue thereat second start, hunter biden is evidence that it is not a justice system. the president s own department of justice is currently bringing a case against his son f. there was a thumb on the scale of the system of the part of president bid pen. one would think he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son but the president sat back and watched this thing progress to the point where we will get a verdict in the next day or so. i get it has been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive nominee to be meeting with his probation officer what is your treks this response. how numb the country has become to everything we watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president donald trump was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the crotch using a course word and he can get a wid with it because lesay celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it is like a starting gun of new, every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as a president that made us all kind of gasp and wonder, like, can he survive this? well, donald trump is the nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and, he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. and, all of us are kind of like oh, yeah, that is right, that is how it is. that is, that is sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it is really important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime. and now we have one that has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. charles, a lawyer wrote in the new york times today that donald trump s chances of winning an appeal are slim, what do you think? reporter: i think so, stephanie. when you are talking about what it is to appeal a jury the first thing that people need to understand is that it is a rare occurrence that the simple is going to have a decision made by our constitution where you get a dloons have your case heard by a jury of your piers which trump did and override the system and overcalculation by the judge or actions of the attorneys. the judge does not give enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was very much aware of all of the eye s needed to be dotted and t s needed to be crossed that is why he ran such a tight ship. to make sure that there were as few for a po as possible. it does not mean that trump s attorney does not like to seek an issue. rather than it being successful is slim to none. sam, today, bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case. most likely not until after trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans, how do you think he is going to handle this? well, i mean, it is, it, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect trump. they want to go after the prosecution. you know, various over00turs. bringing it to hill. expecting it a long time ago. surprised they did not push harder prior to this. if i were bragg i would point to the fact that trump s piers made a determination guilty on 34 counts. that is the aspects of the american justice system that donald trump had right to the fence. he was given through the fence. there will be questions of who is on the team, funding him. what it comes down to, this is how the justice system would work. they had his defense and, and that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12. you have to live with it. that is what we do. charles, let s shift to what sam was mentioning a moment ago. hunter biden case. what did you make today of both sides closing arguments, of hunter not taking the stand. go in reverse, stephanie. hunter bid den not take the stand for a number of reasons t is difficult for hunter bid tone give testimony in any way that is going to exonerate him or defend against those charges without either incriminating him or admitting publicly around his substance abuse. i think that is something that he wanted to avoid. his defense team wanted to avoid that. ultimately if you are looking at this from a 50,000 foot view it is something that would not have been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines, not that it has an impact on hunter s case or the charges but that was part of the calculus here. with respect of what you heard, this is straightforward. i think many legal experts myself included understand that when robert herr, the prosecutor on this case and joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges this, if anything, we seen recently was the most political prosecution that we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought you typically don t see that absence of violent offense involving the handgun or the weapon that is in question. that is not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that. we don t have the facts. yet, still, herr decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is straightforward. none of it is. the defense is saying you work with the fact that you have. they don t have great facts. they have to call into question the time line. i don t know if it will be enough for a jury to acquit him or result in a mistrial. sam, the president has already said that he will not pardon his son f. he is found guilty he could be taken into custody. how is the campaign going to react to this? they have been hands off. it is taking a toll on the president to make had decision. he is his son, he is a father. when you ask about him and press him on it, they are hands off. as we reported they do not talk about the issue. he does not want to discuss it. not that he does not think there will be political fallout but it is too raw. the question that ultimately comes down to is will republicans try to potentially capitalize on a guilty verdict. we have a debate coming up and trump will use it during the debate. will say upon to this point where we are surprised to see how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. does not come up all that much. used to be a topic of a lot of discussion for media and trump but not recently. you wonder if they don t want to draw the attention to his own mishaps or perhaps they test today out and realize there might be effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son when fundamentally part of what that issue is, an issue of addiction. now topic, your washington post has a story out trump allies with a post- constitutional vision for a second term. this man s name is russell voyt. what can you tell bus this? by the way, it is for beth reinhart on this team that presses the trump precedency and the people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy director and in congress as a staffer for a long, long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around both the legislative and the executive parts of our government and he is using that knowledge to broodily expand the powers of the executive if trump takes office. to the point of saying that he is going to find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels have wrongly gone after the president in the past. that includes journalists, that includes political figures like biden family members and he is, rather, he would work very hard to loosen the militaries ability to take action at the president s command to stop protests that are against the president to interfere, perhaps, in elections. basically the military would be the entity could send into domestic situations. something that really we have avoided since the horrors of ken state for example. this is a person who believes definitely in the executive theory but, now proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president, we will see. proposing what will send a chill off of the spine of those studying democracy and its norms. here is my head scratcher, carol. a lot of conservatives out there. don t like trump but likes the policies, these are the same people who are all about small government and limited power. this, this man and this plan, isn t that the opposite of small government limited power. this is big, big government with ultimate power. i think that is something that you highlighted on your program consistently if i can give you a hat tip. this idea of the hypocrisy, right? the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter, embarrassed to tell you how long that has been has always been about criminal justice and top, forgive me, serious law enforcement. it has been a party. a concern. russia, chief among them. yet, that is all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy in the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump. therefore, he is for them. it is not important anymore. we really want to support. certain criminal that have been unfairly and i use this quotation marks persecuted. that is the line that the republican party is pushing. and, so, again, this notion of big government for the republican party that is sought the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that is the litnus test. people can vote however they like. it is our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, always great to see you, sam, charles, thank you as well. when we return, nine months into the war, and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. and, later, after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump. president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night th hour just on a monday night and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. you know what s brilliant? 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[crying] falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel in gaza there is mourning the hamas-run health ministry that does not distinguish between combat onand civilian deaths, 270 palestinians were killed including 64 children, one woman telling us. my family is destroyed. my house is destroyed they are reporting that the u.s. is discussing a new move if seize fire moves fail, making a deal with hamas to release the remaining american hostages, negotiating through qatar and not with israel. according to two senior officials. my number one priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well being of americans who are in harm s way anywhere in the world. that is your top priority, wouldn t indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home, possibly? the most effective way to do that to achieve that is through the proposal on the table. so, let s see if we get an answer from hamas. for more. peter baker joins us the chief correspondent for the new york times, peter, is it a sign that the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? yes. of course, obviously. nine months, these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has basically taken, deferred the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages, most of the hostages have duel citizenship, theyor the ground. the united states is not. it suggests an impatience at this point. its own hostage remain at, in limbo in effect. remaining at odds for this proposal. you heard him say. hamas at this point to accept this proposal. i think that is an important point that they want to make. israel has, in fact, despite public talk of benjamin netanyahu s statements, right now, frustrated that this has taken so long, seen not to be heading towards a conclusion and therefore, obviously, they will be willing to think about ways to get just the americans at this point out if there is a way to do it. president biden is not the only one expressing frustrations. benny gantz just resigned saying it is the prime minister, he is standing in the way of real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? benjamin netanyahu not once but multiple times in elections for the idea they sat together and the work ethic is remarkable situations, hard to imagine joe biden, donald trump sitting together in a unity government. but, this point, they decided enough is enough. it is not working. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is an obstacle to resolution rather than a leader of it. it puts it. they may require on the far right, staying in power, he knows he will appeal. he may back himself up not finding himself comfortable. avoiding further elections. we would love to see where it leads and further elections and not much chance and not a lot of optimism for prime minister benjamin netanyahu to win another election. he has been a remarkable part of politics. let s sit with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france with president biden. when he was there he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received, a, and b, we keep hearing about our european allies that are worried about trump. there are a lot of elections that took place over europe and they were big, big wins for the far right. it happening over there as well? you are absolutely right. not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power. for the right. you saw president macron from france that just hosted biden the night before, state dinner where they held hands in effect in favor of establishment politics so rocked he is calling new elections in france himself to see if he can not win over his own public where he is, in fact, not very popular, either. these guys will all get together in italy later there week at a g-7 meeting and talk about a lot of the issues like gaza and ukraine and so forth. hovering over it is their weakness, biden s approval is higher than some of the other leaders at the summit. it is a time where they are all on their back heels a little bit amid this right wing popularrism we are seeing in europe and the united states. peter, you always make us smarter, thank you very much for being here tonight. when we come back. biden getting a revamp. his new strategy to rev up the race, when the 11th hour returns the race, when the 11th hour returns good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. let s get started. bill, where s your mask? 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i think it is smart. reaching people where they are. we know people are getting news from a lot of less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently any way and checking out politics. it is splart to find them when they are not paying attention to the new issues any way. biden campaign recognizes that it has to do with whatever it has to do as we head towards crunch time here. mark t is not just about his base. this is about nikki haley voters, trumpers, independents, these are the people who make or break the election. it is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat. president trump, former president trump is not looking ahead of his base. is this going to work for biden? yeah. he has to look beyond the base. that is where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in big, big trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset. we kind of got push into it. we did not want to do it. ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was prescripted and part of it was making changes but a big part, just doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say okay we heard the message we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and broodily. you are sending a message to everybody. you heard the message. yes, we are doing things differently. again, in this campaign it is so razor thin. the bidens got to do literally everything right there is one of them. this is good. one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things that donald trump is saying. they are doing that. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made at his nevada rally this weekend. i don t want anyone going on me, we need any voter. i don t care about you i just want your vote, i don t care. so, what i just heard him say, i don t care about you, i just want your vote. broy an, did the rally attendees hear this? what? did they hear that? no. they have selective hearing. trump can say anything and they will just cheer and cheer and cheer on queue. it is important that americans hear it. that is him giving the game away. he does not care about anybody out here. trump s only goal, first, second, third priority is to keep himself out of prison and make the prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans for, to lower costs, nothing to lower health care costs, nothing to increase the amount of jobs. no plans on housing or inflation. he is focused on keeping himself out of the courthouse and out of the prison. this is a rare incidents, less rare these days. he is just, he is just coming out and saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats their supporters with nothing but contempt, it is something like trump, standing there, on that stage and just basically telling them what he thinks about them. what i like to hear about is the truth. and billions in infrastructure funding made its way across the country thanks to the infrastructure bill now law. and suddenly we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for all of these jobs that were created but for facts sake, those same republicans voted against the bill. do their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the truth? they are taking credit for things they voted against? no, they don t know the truth because they are not going to hear the truth. it is hypocritical. let me make another point on the vegas speech and the ad and by the way there is another ad that i think the biden campaign has done and it is the best one. donald trump in his own voice talking about veterans. i think they should just leave that up through election day. it is specifically good. really impactful. by the way trump has been complaining about it. what we call that is hit dogs barking. [ laughter ] you know he is feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, i know the most effectiving you can do is not say what you think that person said but let them say what they said themselves, it is great. i want to go back to the infrastructure point. what do you do about the fact that you have house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? i think they have done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud. he was in lauren s district and she is trying to take credit. going out there, getting in the districts and doing that. and basically where trump one day rallying against toilets nothe flushing and keeping himself out of prison and then biden talking about $35 inhalers and $35 insulin and $2,000 a month health care plans, stuff that is going to impact regular people. they are good-bye that, side by side, it is a matter of getting it out there and hammering the message, over and over and over again. they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way and you just got to show people. thank you for being here. still ahead, you want to stay up for this. when coach steve kerr talks, everybody listens the nine time nba champion is here next. his big endorsement in this election and his take on caitlin clark s first month in the pros when the 11th hour continues the pros when the 11th hour continues some people just know there s a better way to do things. and some people. don t. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you re in good hands with allstate. hi, i m greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i m not an actor. i m just a regular person. some people say, why should i take prevagen? 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i mean it is clear that president biden is really interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence pro vens measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much. i know that we can prevent lives president biden is adamant he is going to push for common sense law that can do that. i know that president trump will not do that. so it is a simple choice for me. are you voting for joe biden or against donald trump. i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me is, everybody needs to vote their conscious. on a few issues but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old. i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know that, that gun violence is the number one killer of children in america. and, i know that there is so much that we can do about this. and, i think most people out there agree with me if you are republican or a democrat. 80% of people in this country want, want universal background checks. does not matter your political affiliation. we can do this. we kind of have to steer the cruise ship there. it is going to take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt like your life was impentrable nothing bad can happen to you. what do you say to those people who don t say gun violence is a part of their life so they don t make it a priority. you don t know. the chances are likely that you won t be impacted. but there is a good chance that you will, also. and the that is a scary thought. i am a recent grandfather. i have a granddaughter that is 18 months old. i am thinking a lot about when she goes off to kinder garten and she kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills and the trauma our kids across america go through just from the drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is traumatizing and it is just it is a terrible thought that all of our children are feeling this way. and, again, we know that common sense laws save lives, they absolutely do. and there is so much that we can do and, and it is kind of my civic project that i like to work on. it is just, you know, trying to help get the cruise ship moving. it is going to take a lot of work. it really is up to us as private citizens toip sift that our government, you know, take the necessary moves to make that happen. there is a lot of other public figures that share their views, many endorsed biden in 2020. many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you. you will get heat from all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? well, it is too important to save lives. and to, i think, do something that is important for our country. not that i am going to be able to do anything by myself but i have a platform. if i can at least get the message out there. i think it is important for families to talk about this issue, neighbors, friends, you know, there is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. and, again, it could be your own child, it can be your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country. and not just pass it off as well, this is the price of freedom, you know. that is what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us. freedom should also be kids going to school and not being afraid. and, there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment but protect our citizens with some really simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot- button. it is really not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. as i say, 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that. that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. you said it right there. it is a political hot-button issue. not when you go in people s homes and sit at their kitchen tables and talk to them about what matters to them. i do want to talk to you about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about. obviously basketball. before you go. you played with michael jordan on the chicago bulls, you know how this super star was treated early and the attention he got. given your experience, your firsthand knowledge, what do you think about caitlin clark s treatment so far in the wnba? i think it is a rite of passage. wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a super star. he was not who he is now. he had to get stronger, he had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with her right now. i think it is all in the name of competition she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player. like any player that comes into the wnba, nba it takes time, they have to get stronger. get used to the athleticism. she will be fine. i think everything she is going through right now is all part of being a pro. what do you think about the fact that she will not be at the olympics, you will be there? i am so excited. i am sorry she will not be. i am sure she will have a chance in four years. when you put the olympic teams together all you care about is winning. and, you know, it is probably going to take caitlin a couple years to be at the top. i think the women s team is taking the 12 players that they think can help bring home a gold and that is exactly what the men s team did. you know, that is the name of the game. no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. and i sure hope you do this year. i can say, nobody remembers when steph curry was not a super star. steve, great to see you, thank you for joining us tonight thank you, great seeing you. we will have more 11th hour after the break have morh hour after the break you know what s brilliant? 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who almost batch steph curry in a three-point shooting contest this past february at the starting name, what is it about caitlin clark? it s not just that she s white. steph curry stood out from other great black stars in the nba because he played in a way that was appealing and relatable. shooting from the logo, dr. jay was more appealing and brought in more fans and his teammate moses malone, who was a three-time mvp because dr. jay s game was more flamboyant. michael jordan wasn t just great. he was fun to watch caitlin clark is fun to watch. yeah. and she is going to be a star pretty much no matter what do you think she ll ultimately be an alternate for the olympic team? i think he could be. i think that s possible. and the concern that because she d be reserve and she wouldn t play that many minutes and therefore, her fans would be up in arms just put the point out there, educate them it would help the olympics. christine brennan made the same point. more eyeballs and limping straw. a lot of eyeballs to begin with, but it s a global event. more eyeballs on those games. how can that be bad caitlin clark is good for the league, good for everybody. in the league. i shall be good for the olympics to it if she got there, she will be there yeah. thank you. great. thank you. as always. and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now. tonight, donald trump tries to rewrite the history of january 6, yet again, as he now re-branded those who stormed the capital plus trump s interview with his probation officer. what we re learning about his virtual sit down and what it might mean for his chances at sentencing and new tonight, elon musk mad at apple over there, deal with openai, the threat he s now making good evening i m, jim acosta in for laurie votes on this monday night for months, donald trump has heatedly referred to january 6 rioters as hostages. there s obviously no truth to that, but trump has spent much of his campaign constructing an alternate reality for supporters so they can believe a different narrative when it comes to january 6, one that paints the former president as the real victim of the 2020 race. the race he lost the race. he tried to overturn, but now trump is road-tested. a new nickname for the people who attack the capital those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. the victims of what happened all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing. and then the police say go and go in, go in water, set-up. that was what a horrible, horrible thing. and you know, that blows two ways. warriors, he called them a reality check. if anyone was a warrior that de january 6, it was the brave police officers to face their wrath trying to defend the capital. people like my next guess, sergeant aquilino gonell, who was attacked and beaten as he tried to hold the line on january 6, he s here here s with me tonight, and i ll speak with him in just a few moments. but sergeant good now, is not donald trump s view of a warrior. know instead, this apparently is people like thomas webster. there you see him in the red jacket. prosecutors say he swung a metal flagpole at an officer before choking him with his chin strap. he was convicted and sentenced to ten years in prison. people like dominic puzzle prosecutor said he used a riot shield, a police riot shields is smashed through one of the capital windows, allowing the mob to storm in. he two was convicted and sentenced to ten years. in prison for his actions. now, trump is calling them warriors. trump has openly mused about issuing pardons for january 6 defendants. if he wins reelection advocating for their behalf has become a hallmark of his campaign. trump isn t running from january 6, in many ways, he s running on january 6. as you heard in that sound, a few moments ago, trump said, quote, what a setup that was, what a horrible thing. and you know, that goes two ways. that goes two ways. he said, joining me now, former us capitol sergeant aquilino gonell, he was he has been campaigning for president biden in some swing-state he s also the author of american shield, the immigrant sergeant, who defended democracy, sergeant canal. thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. i can t think of anybody better to join me. tonight s talk about this. you ve talked about january 6, the injuries that you suffered, the surgeries that you had to go through. i ve talked about this many times, physical therapy that you had to go through. you could have died that day and when you hear donald trump call these rioters and insurrectionists warriors what do you think? what s your reaction is a impudence to the sacrifice of many of the officers who risk at all to defend those electoral facial from the both parties we will protecting both nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy the same thing. same way. we protect chuck schumer s much mechano and all the electrification from both party regardless of how political views. so we were actually doing our job and to hear those type of connotations coming from the foreign president is a desecration to a service we of officer who validly and bailey, definitely the kaprow a day. yeah. i mean, certainly going to you and i ve talked about this. i mean, one of the things that worries me about january 6 is that people are just sort of erasing it from their memories there s a lot of talk about whether we have trump amnesia going on. it sounds like there s a little bit of trump acceptance in january 6 upset acceptance what do you think is going on? why do you think there are people who go out to these rallies and applaud and shear when they hear him call people hostages. and in this case, warriors i mean, it s these are the same people that claim to be supported. the police officers. but yet they don t see us. the capitol police and metropolitan police those who defend the capital and our democracy on, that day as such they see us as an impediment to what they set out themselves to do, which was overthrown the world of people on jeremy six. and part of, part of that is the same people who we protect it. they had sided with the what the talking points, the foreign presence says that nothing happened if it did something did happen is not as bad as we say, but on jeremy six, there were scared. so scale of the mob that they ran for further live in fear. and that s unfortunate because he s talked about pardoning. yes some of these folks, all of them, i think what do you say about that? i mean, it s it s very unfortunate. again, we protected both parties the same. we were actually doing our job and those people who are in jail right now has been converted. i have been processed through the court system some of them today we re on trial and they were found guilty in a later date. they re going to be sentenced and some of the same people who assaulted me personally i ve gone through core multiple times, 23 so far and two weeks ago, one of them got 14 years for assault, multiple officers at the same time these are the type of people that he says that he s going to pardon rising up, telling them they are hostile years political prisoners and who are we the officers to them yeah. well, i think one of the things that is really disturbing about him referring to these individuals as warriors is it s almost as it sounds like he s thinking he sending these people into battle. well than sending them off to war against fellow americans. exactly. and that s the other thing is like he says, i think the same statement that it was oh, i set up well, who invoke them? to be there? the kaprow in the first place it wasn t capitol police. it wasn t metropolitan police. it was in the sayyed arms or anything like that jerry six wouldn t happen if he had not told those people in the middle of december 2020 to be at the end the capital for jeremy six, because i worked several chamfer power situation anyway, know that that was happening. that event was the last point of certification. i didn t know that. but i doubt that majority of the people in the american people knew that at all follower knew that onto he said such thing to bring him to invoke them, to come here to the capital four general six. well, certainly going now we cannot ever thank you enough for your bravery. what you did on january of six, what s your fellow officers? people like mike for now and harry dunn? we ve talked to them so many times over the year, over the years i really appreciate what you did that day. thank you so much. we can t forget and i know you and i were talking about this before the segment. you d like to see a plaque hanging in that tunnel at the capital that you and others defended that day, just so there is this recognition? correct. and this is something that was passed into law two years ago republican speaker of the house, mike johnson, continued to hold that plaque. approval in committee. and i want that plaque to be put in place for the next president, future president, to say. so they could see how a group officer, the name, read the names of the authors who risk at all to preserve our democracy and a day and very shameful for them to continue to hold it up. the same way that they say that they claim to be supported the police. but yet well, another thing that happened was somebody police officers, the capitol police union put a a proposal for two count some of the overtime service that they had done since january 6, to count tours, their retirement and republican on the senate, they blocked. all right we re going to continue to follow that as well. we ll stay on top of it. certainly can now great to see you. thanks for having so much today, donald trump clearing a hurdle on his way to being sentenced in new york city. he took part in a court-mandated pre-sentencing interview with a probational officer. normally they are done in person, but trump attended at virtually from florida, were told that took less than 30 minutes at a source told us that trump answered all the questions he was described as accommodating, respectful, and polite. that s quoting from that source, the probation department did not rule out the possibility of a follow-up meeting before his july 11 sentencing for falsifying business records and joining me now to talk about this, cnn legal commentator and former trump attorney chimp tim parlatore. and former commissioner of new york city s department of probation, martin horn. gentlemen, thanks for being with us late on this monday night. appreciate it, martin. this was bit of an unprecedented meeting today. a walk us through the kind of questions that the former president was likely asked well, he was sure asked to give his version of the offense. he was confronted with the charge against him and asked for his side of the story he was given an opportunity to put forth any mitigating factors that the judge should take into account in imposing sentencing. and i m sure or at least he was supposed to have been asked about his family situation is financial situation his education is employment history whether or not he s had any physical or mental issues that would interfere with his ability to support himself and i m sure that he answered them in a way that was favorable to himself yeah. and tim, 30 minutes. that seems kinda brief why do you suppose that is? well, the new york state presents interviews are much less involved than the federal ones. and so in particular, when you have a case like this where a defendant has been convicted after trial, but they do intend to appeal. they retain their fifth amendment rights through that those appeals. so i have no doubt that his attorneys advised him don t answer any questions regarding the offense and probably hold the probation officer look, he s invoking his fifth amendment. see, you can skip that part of the interview and just go straight to family history and things like that that really shortens the process. and martin, how much will the judge judge merchan take all of this into account hard to say. certainly this judge knows this defendants it s rare in new york for there to be situation where the defendant has been found guilty by a verdict at trial 95% of the findings of guilt or the result of a plea deal where the sentence has already been negotiated. so this is relatively rare, but again there may be factors that a defendant would want to bring to the judge s attention that has not previously been known. and remember, this interview is confidential, so it s an opportunity for the defendants to share with the judge mitigating factors that he or she might not i want to share with the general public and tim, what about all the comments that trump made outside the courtroom where he railed against the judge, blamed president biden for the prosecution, doesn t that get taken into consideration? and i have to ask you when here from sources that trump was bribed as a polite and cooperative sort of thing that doesn t sound like the donald trump that we saw outside the courtroom during the course of that trial. what do you make that? distinction there? for one thing, when he s outside of the courtroom in front of the cameras, he is both defendant trump, but he s also candidate trump. he s definitely playing it up for the purposes of the campaign. whereas he doesn t have to do that behind closed doors with a probation officer, a lot of the things that he said during those press conferences wouldn t be relevant at all. yeah. to this interview. so in fact, i m sure that todd blanche said we re not answering any questions about his opinions about the judge or anything like that. let s just stick to his history. and so to the extent that they re asking him questions about his family history is education is business history? i think that that s something that he would be very very common, very accommodating on. so i don t it doesn t surprise me at all, given the narrow scope of what they would be talking about. all right. will martin, tim? 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i mean, he s he s basically saying we can t compromise, won one side or the other is going to win here. is that, is that how a supreme court justice should know? i mean, it would seem to me that supreme court justices, when they deliver eight, they compromise all the time as they should. and i think his comments, when contrasted two chief justice roberts are unmeasured. roberts was very careful in how he responded. these types of leading questions and, you know, alito was just at the very least, very sloppy in his answers, but i don t know that it revealed a lot other than the fact that justice alito has a very conservative viewpoint that came across, but he shouldn t be. necessarily articulating it in the manner he he just did. yeah, maria, this filmmaker, laura in windsor, we should though, she s the one who went out and did this she went on to say this to justice alito. we put it up on screen people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness to that justice alito replied, i agree with you. i agree with you. now, again, she was posing as somebody who was supportive of him and but she was able to extract some very notable comments and pretty remarkable comments. it is disturbing on so many levels because he is in a position we already saw what he did. he was the one who wrote the argument that got rid of roe v. wade. and he used in at some arcane 18th century law that essentially said that women should be subservient, that we don t have the ability to make these decisions. and what he just said to ms windsor i mean, it reminded me of i don t know if you all have washed your feet. audience has watched handmade, stale yeah. that was gilead but he was described as one thing i was terrifying. there s one thing i wanted to talk about and i don t want to jam the segment because there s other stuff i want to get to, but what s fascinating about this audio of sam alito is in charlie, you know this from these confirmation hearings that make headlines up on capitol in the senate when supreme court justices go through that process there, so choreograph there, so scripted they re told what to say, what not to say, and they re very careful and answering all these questions here is just like a few minutes of audio. got probably more candor from justice alito that we got during the confirmation process. yeah. i was just shocked by how unguarded he was. yeah again, these you re right. you ve watched these confirmation hearings and they are so scripted, they are so careful not to say anything that might impact how they would have to rule on some matter before them in this case? you just do that all away he thought he was just talking to a friendly audience here and was surprised by the by the recording. but again he s gotten himself in trouble for a number of reasons now, just because he s not careful. yeah. marie, i do want to ask you about this. there s new video tonight of rudy giuliani speaking at a christian event at a church where he speaks in very derogatory terms about the fulton county attorney, fani willis. let s listen to this then. i ve got to prosecutors. sandi the whole i mean, you know wow. america s mayor, ladies and gentlemen, that well, yeah. i mean, once upon a time. yeah. i mean it s almost unfortunate to even bring this up because obviously it s just a horrendous thing to say. but i mean, it also speaks at what in the world has happened to read giuliani the fall from grace was fast and furious and it you know, talking to so many people who used to work with him and know him. they don t know who this person is. they don t know who that man. i ve known this guy for over 25 years and i don t know that could all i don t recognize them. it sad. this is a man who was, he was pro-choice on abortion. he was pro gay rights and but he got swept up with all this. trump s stuff and you just can t is it something about there are so many of them. they just feel like they have to slothouber all over donald. it s like it s it s cultish is held. but it s also kind of want to be relevant to add and pathetic, like kinda hanging on kinda clam and he s getting older. you want to be relevant, you want to be in the conversation. and so you go down this row, you don t want to just be the guy that goes to denny s for the grand slam special. you want to still be invited to speak at events and stuff. i don t almost wonder if there s any sort of mental decline there because he had he s commanded such respect at one point in his life. is this all worth it now, like is this the legacy? the he wants to leave his family and the history books because he is now a laughing stock and he will be this is what he s going to be remembered for yeah. what what what a legacy. i mean, he had a he had a good legacy. legacy, get a good legacy going out and the throw it all away. hey, just to be in trump s good graces should have quit at four seasons landscaping. but you know, to your point, jim, he s not the only one i ve heard so many people say that the moment that they have come into donald trump s orbit, something happens to them. they leave their spines on the table. they leave their character behind, and they are there to just genuflecting the altar of donald trump. and that is sad with charlie s saying, it just, just to be relevant, it s just it s just but then there comes the exercise and reputational rehabilitation for many. once i ve done it, they ve been there the whole time and then they then they realized well, maybe i m a little dirty and i can t wash it off and now they think now, then they tried to make amends as best they can, you know, once once they re no longer no longer close to power, that moment says more about giuliani than fani willis, sorry. charlie, maria, thank you very much. i just had a jury now deliberating the fate of hunter biden. that is federal gun trial. and it was a dramatic day in court with one family member seen weeping someone who was inside the courtroom joins me the assignments are. going off and playing the tornado here i m thinking i m going to die and i thought that was it. violin earth with liev schreiber. sunday at nine on cnn lumina whitening strips know grok side, no pain i can use them every day if i want he what i want drink what i want, profit aluminium strip and l0 my smile is back on point easy is outdated. dmv has two forms of my id think of all the places that can expose your info, lifelong monitors millions of data points for identity theft. there s a problem. we fix it, guaranteed sentenced, you make a sale is now odd with race from 199 for a person per night. this is sad those.com or call 1800 sand if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with part sega because they re places who d like to be for seeker can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections and low blood sugar are rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin the perineum could occur, stop taking four sika and call your doctor right away at the symptoms of disinfection and allergic reaction or ketoacidosis find anything let me start when i do my friends, i can find anything with myself see something that you like we ll round it will be something wait. no, i m always hot sleep number doesn t match. can i make my side softer? 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that s pretty rough. great. i mean, the biden family was there, right? the whole entire trial. so first lady was there almost every day. his sister, his wife, they were their most days and i think throughout the trial, including on closings, they all had different reactions. sometimes strong reactions, right. i mean, i think one thing that sticks out is whenever they played the voice of hunter biden reading his memoir, particularly at the beginning, you saw real emotional reaction from someone the biden family, and i think today they went hard after the prosecutors went hard after his past drug use and used it in very vivid, brutal language. i m sure for the family to hear. so there was reaction to that yeah. tim, i mean, could some of this backfire? i mean, a lot of people have sympathy for folks who were battling drug addiction in the prosecution kind of going after hunter biden on addiction in that way could backfire with at least a couple of the jurors in a way that might. not bode well for the prosecution i think you can. i mean, it s something that we saw during the trial with jurors reacting to this they ve made him a sympathetic character, which is not something the prosecution normally, once do something also that they didn t really address so much during closing arguments, but i think that may affect the jurors is if you hit him so hard on his drug use do you undermine his ability to really think through and form the requisite criminal intent. so i do think that that could be something that would backfire. yeah. and perry, the prosecution during one moment, pointed to the three rows and the courtroom taken by the biden family biden supporters, including the first lady, saying that people sitting in the gallery are not evidence in the case, do we know how that played with the jury? and i mean, obviously that goes without saying, but how did that go over in the courtroom? yeah i mean, we don t write we don t know, but obviously the fact that prosecutors did that to me suggests that they feel at least that having the first lady right? the first lady always a pretty popular figure. jill biden is a popular figure, so they obviously were at least fearful of how that would play with the jury, right? this is a pretty remarkable thing. he s the charges themselves aren t the case is not it s a gun case, but the fact that you have the first lady, this this man s mom sitting there every day of the trial and it wasn t just her. i mean, this is, a jury of dealt people from delaware, wilmington city council person, a very popular are from what i understand a well-known pastor and wilmington as that first, there were lots of people that the jury could recognize and people do this all the time. obviously, they re there for support for hunter biden, but i don t know what the family exactly was thinking, but in lots of defendant s bring family with them, people that know them to show that the jury that they are loved supported person have people that early think they re good members good yeah. and tim, i was wondering about i ve been wondering about this the entire trial, whether or not the biden family s trying to send the message to the jury to the judge, to the courtroom. this is a personal matter this is a biden family matter what did you make of the family being there in the first lady i mean, being there throughout this case. i mean, it s certainly is a lot more sympathetic than back when i used to represent wise guys with their families there are but i think it is one the trump case. i mean, you saw some family members were there somewhere? it is. and it s something that if if in prosecution in this case is kind of on the underdogs politically with this jury, ordinarily said defenses, something you have to address. you have to acknowledge, hey, look, i recognize that there are these these passions and these things, but i m asking you as the jury to get past that. so i think that the prosecution was right to at least acknowledge it, but don t dwell on it. and i think that it is something that jurors look at it s one of the reasons why you want to have the family there if the family can be sympathetic. right. all right. tim perry thanks very much. really appreciate it in the meantime, elon musk giving a big warnings and iy is threatening to ban apple devices at his company s next you 19th, cnn celebrated juneteenth, his by john legend, eddie lewbel you robinson, we still have a lot of work to do. june team celebrating freedom and legacy. wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn in an detect this. living with hiv. robert learned he can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that s why he switched to nevado divider was a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable, than davon detect this morning to learn that most hiv pills contain three or for medicines, devito is as effective with just two if you have hepatitis b, don t stop to vada without talking to your doctor. don t take to vada. if you re allergic to its ingredients are taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects if you have a rash or allergic reactions, symptoms stopped to vado and get medical help right away, serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems or if you are pregnant? 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is this a threat? is that what s going on? it is so elon musk, just raise $6 billion for his own competitive ai company called xii and there s also some sort tensions and feelings because he was a co-founder of openai. many years ago, he left in 2015 teen arguing that they weren t doing the best at safety and data protection. and so you can see why he s going after apple now for this partnership. but honestly gym, the whole thing just feels really petty. yeah. why did he can t own everything? but when it comes to safety and security, does allowing open ai to integrate into the iphone make the product less safe? i mean, we know elon musk has he has issued these warnings. he was up on capitol hill recently saying ai could lead to an extinction event or whatever. we hear from folks who are concerned about this sort of thing. you don t want to conflate two issues. so if we don t regulate ai at all, yes, it could lead to some really bad consequences. but looking at this narrowly about whether or not apple partnering with openai is some essential privacy threat is not the same thing as it being a long-term threat to humanity. apple has rolled out so many different apps across devices. it has rolled out different privacy features that you and i are used to. how many times have you clicked? ask app not to track me. yeah, they have privacy measures in place and the other thing to note, jim, apple works with millions of developers anytime you re downloading an app in an app store, that s a third party developer that apple allows on its platform, there are plenty of sun security measures in place to make sure that it s safe. yeah. and we already have ai in our phones anyway. i mean, i was looking at instagram recently and i noticed, okay, there s an ai function on instagram, so it s there, it s happening part of the promisee, the privacy issue to jim is consumers have to be aware of what they re sharing. apple is going to protect your data from openai that s part of their promise here. but it s on you not to share anything that you think is so sensitive that you wouldn t want it to potentially be breached. they don t put your credit card information in chatgpt? yeah. and openai as deals with both microsoft and apple i mean, open ai seems to be kind of cornering the market here what are the implications there? so microsoft is a huge backer of openai. they own 49% of it. and that means that openai will be the primary company that gets access to all of its products, like linkedin et cetera. openai is also taking the lead on striking deals with a bunch of ip holders. think about news publishers, et cetera. they are competing against google and a few other companies. but really openai has become the most recognizable name because they re consumer-facing app chatgpt is so popular. and there s been a lot of talk at well, apple needs to make the iphone sexy again, it needs to make a cool again, it s sort of become like an appendage we re all used to having the iphone weathers does ai do this? does it get in the neighborhood of doing that, making the iphone more interesting? it helps. i mean, if you think about it in the us, jim, the vast majority of people use apple ios devices, but abroad that s not the case. so what they need to do is make sure that their phone is the best smartphone out there on the market so that they can expand their dominance globally. and then the other thing is apple is making more and more money off of services. so like payments that you get from itunes or from buying extra cloud storage or average pricing, because hardware sales have leveled off. and so if they re investing in ai, they re hoping you re going to spend more time with the app. they can eventually serve you more ads and all of their different functions. and they can up charge you that way. the thing with apple is and, you know, i figured this out. this is why i saw the iphone bove is because i got the screen protector, i got the case. i don t break it anymore. so they i m not getting new iphones every six months like i used to, but that might be affecting things. i want to work on that make them more breakable? yes. exactly. but this is how they re going to hook you, right? if they can get you to buy and transact more on the old phone that you have that s money for them alright. very good. sara fisher. thanks very much. i ll go back to my trying to figure out facebook with my reading glasses on here. all right. no, just kidding. sarah. thanks a lot. thank you. wnba star caitlin clark left. you heard about i m i m actually i might go off a little bit in this next segment. it s getting late. ep told me we can say anything during this hour. this may happen in the next segment, she was left off the us roster for the paris olympics. my next guest says it s one of the worst decisions she has seen and 40 years of covering the games. i agree. and we ll talk about those in just a few moments all right? this election season, stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. and the best political team and the business follow the voters follow the results, follow the facts follow. cnn artificial intelligence it s transforming agriculture, advancing life-saving healthcare, and strengthening small businesses this game changing technology is supporting every sector of american because economy. today, america leads the world in ai because our companies are investing billions in this new technology. but china wants to leap ahead of america and become the global leader in technology. are leaders in congress need to stand up for innovation and protect america s competitive edge. this is a futurama go daddy arrow creates a logo website, even social posts and minix ai hey, i like it was the gum, see the view, get your business online in minutes with godaddy arrow. find a great deal for your ideal hotel opened your vargo typing where you wanna go, select your check-in and check-out dates. search compare prices for the same hotel and save up to $30.09 hotel trivago nothing dems my light like a migraine with nortech ott. i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent all-in-one to those with migraine. i see you. review acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults don t take if allergic to in our technology team, allergic reactions can occur even days after using most common side effects are nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it s time. we all talk to a health care provider that nortech ott from pfizer work play link relief work play blinking really, the only three and one extended release formula for dry eyes like i consumer cellular, we pride ourselves on giving you fast, reliable, nationwide coverage and up to half the cost and the leading carriers, but don t worry, we ve got more than that going for us. new customers who buy any phone get two months of service. freeman who signed up by july 31st, color go online to switch today. lumen is the first fluoride free to paste. i ve ever found that actually works. my dentist was blown away with how clean and white my teeth, my gums and teeth are so healthy, it s crazy you can get luminoso, toothpaste at walmart and target. one second. she can t walk. then she can one second. you re single. and then you don t want to be one second. it s a pipe dream. and the next it s a dream come true one second. you ll save. and then we solve away well we sti a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! go to deal dash.com and see how much you can save the cnn presidential debates. june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max closed captioning is brought to you by ucar, help maintain a healthy urinary tract with you, cora? hi, having utis for ten years. you, cora, we make uti relief products we also make proactive urinary tract health product. you cora is a lyptsi tried today at your core core.com and just 46 days. look at this, right? you re looking live at paris 5:52 a.m. the sun just breaking their behind the eiffel tower beautiful morning. there in paris, the eyes of the sports world will shine on the city of lights for the 2024 summer olympics in paris but one name will noticeably be absent from the roster. wnba rookie sensation caitlin clark instead, a dozen veterans will take the floor as team usa goes for its eight straight when pick gold medal reports indicate clark could be an alternate of a for now, she has been lofted a left off the team. her reaction to the situation, humility. take a listen honestly, no disappointment. i think it just gives you something, something to work for you know, that s a dream, you know, hopefully one day i can be there and i think it s just a little more motivation you remember that and you know, hopefully in four years when four years comes back around, i can be there but her omission or snub depending on how you see it has ignited debate in the sports world this is about what i will, i will personally label the idiocy of team usa women s basketball. how did you make this decision? it s stupid. stephen smith there, even the x account of the republican house judiciary committee posted quote, caitlin clark should be on the olympic team cnn sports analyst in usa today columnist christine brennan broke this news over the weekend. it was a blockbuster. she joins me now, christine, great reporting as always okay. i was saying before the break and i was told by the i believe i was told by the executive producer i m i show that i could on this show that i can give my opinion on this and i m going to give my opinion this stinks. yeah, this sucks. i m sorry. but caitlin clark should be on this team and i m sorry if i m just no way you re aside here, but i am jim. you re not alone. there are millions of people who agree with you. caitlin clark is one of the most popular, if not the most popular athlete in the country, male or female? well, any sport. and this was an opportunity for usa basketball to really grow the women s game. and i can speak as someone who s been to ten summer olympics going all the way back to 1984 when i started in kindergarten. and i ve covered women s basketball at every olympics and what you see in the press tribune at the gold medal game for the us women s basketball team, tumble weeds. most female sports writers they don t want anything to do with the women s basketball team. they want to cover the men or people are covering other events. you bring caitlin clark to paris and the eyeballs of the entire world are on her. the media coverage you re going to have reporters from all over wanted to come and see this american sensation, even if she only played four or 56 minutes again. and all the other players would have gotten publicity in the process. the headlines that they so richly deserve. why was she left off the team? i m still reporting that i ve talked to people. here s what we ve seen in the wnba so far. it s been a chilly reception for caitlin clark with some of the other players might that have something to do with it? could, it could. i reported i have two sources actually now a third who confirmed for me that part of the conversation in the calculation of whether to put her on the team or not? was and this shock the living daylights out of me, jim, was that there was concern that if you put her on the team and she only gets a few minutes of playing time her millions of fans back in the united states and radio shows and whatever would create controversy about. now, i laughed when i first heard that i thought that cannot be something that s being you say can we say bs can i say? what can i say it at this hour? how about say enough, we should be able to say that is how about that? i m sorry. they re not going to ask you to fill in for laurie again. that is like seventh grade going on fourth-grade. okay. the reason why she is so special and we all saw this when she was out there on on the on the court. she can he that three-point shot from so i mean, it s just unbelievable. washington du and the passes that having you and i ve talked about this, what she does on the court is remarkable. it s the high-wire act at the circus. watch or bring the ball down, the logo 3s rebounding may be more important, but you ve got five or six people down there throwing elbows and i m a tall woman. i was the one under the basket. yeah. but for the uninitiated fan, people who are just coming to basketball, which is by the way, millions and millions of people to watch her they don t necessarily know that, but they can keep their eye on her. the singular figure down the court heaving that three, the beautiful passes and it s just great fun to watch it. as i said, it is that kind of trapeze act. and that s the entertainment value that the wnba and usa basketball, i m not so sure that that they re thinking about but the team and about who s been there before. and you don t want to miss this up. the cohesin lock around it all of a once in a lifetime for women s sports, growing the game. think of the number. there are also other great players. well, that would get the attention. fabulous players that they have never gotten that as i was saying earlier, how about the 20 to us? i say jersey. how many would have been sold in africa, in europe, and asia the money that could have been made for youth development programs for getting more girls in the game women s sports needed this desperately and it s just a huge missed opportunity and christine, the other thing that i wanted to say about this one, i saw caitlin clark s the comments, the way she handled this class act handily perfectly, which i have to think is probably irritating the living daylights or whoever is mad at her right now. jim scene is taking this out on her, is 22 22,000,000,040 the weight of the world dawn staley said it took the microphone at the women s final game and said, you ve been shouldering the burden for our league women s sports. we have never seen anyone quite like this. i mean, going back probably the billie jean king, she s bigger than the 1999 and women s world cup. and the big winner in all this at the end of the day, caitlin clark yeah, she s handling it. the sympathy, the support that she has. but again, just think of what could have been in paris and the thing that i worry about and maybe you can tell me because you know this better than i would know. i have started to worry about caitlin clark a little bit that we re going to get into one of these situations where we see these athletes and there s just so much piled on top of them because of the spotlight, because of the pressure, it can cause problems. and we ve seen this, we ve talked about sport, mental health of athletes from naomi osaka to michael phelps, and on it goes caitlin clark has a confidence about her that is very much in keeping with someone born in 2000 to getting full blast title nine she is also so comfortable in insider skin, so composed. i met her for the first time on friday. interviewed are for the first time and i was even more impressed and i had been from watching from far. do you think there s any chances were running out of time that they reversed this decision. i i think we should predict i won t put words in your i think they re going to reverse this decision. well, they re announcing it tomorrow and i don t think they ll do it then she would be an alternate and there could be injuries. in fact, one of the guards is injured, right now and that could be tuition. to keep an eye on because you re right. there s such an outcry and i don t think usa basketball i know for a fact, having interviewed these people, they had no idea the national outrage that they were going to unleash. there s outrage, and that is i can tell.