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Justice, and firing james comey, that was a question that mueller was investigating, did trump obstruct justice. what are you looking for on that front? >> well, i think this is going to be an torrent important part as well, because people have focused on the collusion side, right? if there are no indictments, bitch that it was unlikely that the president committed some grand conspiracy on his own, it suggests that mueller didn't find any collusion there. now, the obstruction thing is harder because it's aimed directly at the president, and as the president's critics point out, it is not justi...

Information. and the entire panoply of techniques from the u.s. intelligence agencies and allies. what does that mean? it means we can put people in times and places. you've interviewed dozens and dozens of people. you've checked video surveillance of building cctv and security cameras. and if this piece of the puzzle fits into a timing of a theory that trump knew about the meeting and knew about its purpose then this has been extremely helpful. now, on the collusion side it makes sense to me that cohen would not have been in that circle or would not have been someone who was privy to truly ge...

Collusion. that is, why would somebody want -- why would the president want to shutdown this investigation designed to protect the national security of the united states unless there were some untoward relationship between him and the russians. so we have this idea that has really permeated a lot of the way we talk about the russia investigation that there is an obstruction side of the investigation and a collusion side. and i think the point i was trying to make in that article and i think that mccabe's interview really bears out is that from the fbi's point of view, those questions were not ...

Crime, they also look at it and they say the obstruction crime itself may be a form of collusion. that is, why would somebody want -- why would the president want to shutdown this investigation designed to protect the national security of the united states unless there were some untoward relationship between him and the russians. so we have this idea that has really permeated a lot of the way we talk about the russia investigation that there is an obstruction side of the investigation and a collusion side. and i think the point i was trying to make in that article and i think that mccabe's int...

And roger stone in his sights. it's likely that those are among the prosecutions or investigations that gates is cooperating on. if they continue to keep their intransigent pose, that means a trial, it means several months. and i actually think if barr's appointed, that's probably good news here because it takes some of the heat off. you know, barr says he's committed to letting the investigation play out, and i think it will give mueller some operating room. but several, i think, was the big word there. and there may even be things we don't know, for example, the whole middle eastern side peo...