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Last week by a justice department watcher to be very careful not to assume that bob mueller doesn't have as strong of an investigation or case on the conspiracy/collusion side as on the obstruction side. just because we don't hear as much about it to not assume that isn't just as strong and moving forward and closing in on this president. do you agree with that asse assessment? >> i do. when i saw first the indictment of the russian troll farm actors and the indictment of the russian gru military intelligence officers, it's clear that mueller's team not only knows a lot but has done an extraor...

Donald trump clearly the tip of the spear in the russia investigation, all roads lead to the president, he's the alpha and omega for robert mueller, that much is clear. but the probe's beating heart is actually the president's son. where george papadopoulos blabbing in a bar lit the match that started the collusion side of robert mueller's inquiry, donald trump junior's evolving stories on the trump tower meeting put him squarely at the center of the obstruction of justice line of inquiry. in fact, don junior and the trump tower meeting are specifically mentioned in the written questions provi...

Manafort does. he was at that meeting, if he flips and he hasn't flip was. and cohen has. documentary evidence and phone records of trump's actions and all kinds of aspects of the obstruction side of it. as well as the collusion side of it. so i don't buy the argument that this isn't important for the russia side of the investigation. >> this is a point that you have been making. >> this is striking to me on how history has repeated. nixon's personal lawyer, his bagman, the guy who carried around all the illegal cash to spread around. he wound up pleading guilty. and manafort being convicted t...

Ignoring a subpoena? >> yeah, because the president would have to explain. he can say this is a witch hunt over and over again but the average person will say all right, just go in and answer the questions. >> if you have nothing to hide. that's what i tell my 6-year-old. >> ashley, roger stone seems to be the person in the swirl today on the collusion side of the investigation, the manhattan madam went in and testified. another former aide is being held in contempt of court today. does that is trigger any anxiety around the don junior circle or the jared circle or any of the other individuals...

>> the president would have to explain. he can say this is a witch hunt over and over again. the average person will say, just go and answer the questions. >> if you have nothing to hide, that's what i tell my 6-year-old. ashley parker, roger stone seems to be the person in the swirl today on the collusion side of the investigation, the manhattan madam went in and testified, another former aide is being held in contempt of court today. does that trigger any anxiety around the don junior circle or the jared circle or any of the other individuals who were in the room with the russians who promis...