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The evidence provided by others. so who's come to mueller, who has sat down and said, look, the president talked with me about what this was all about. we needed to keep manafort silent. his intent was this. you have enough people saying that, you got your obstruction case, you've got evidence of sbe intent. i think that's what's there. i have to tell you, nicolle, i think there's more going on here to manafort's of a pardon. you've heard people say what can happen on the state level. you know that manaforth pled guilty to everything, a masterful move by mueller. you know a state prosecutor in...

Lawyers, rudy giuliani in an interview with axios said. i don't think they have any evidence of collusion of any kind. i think their obstruction case as a legal matter doesn't exist. so again the white house exuding confidence here. >> and i think that's to be expected. if you are innocent that's what you do convey. to me it's entirely credible particularly on the collusion side. if there was evidence of collusion it would have leaked a long time ago. the obstruction issue is an opinion. if the president's lawyers say there is no case for collusion, that's their opinion. they are entitled to i...

Much -- what contact was there and was it significant? what does it really mean? did stone simply just know some things were going to be coming from wikileaks or was he working or coordinating with them? >> matt millmiller, we could al write the response. oh, i hardly knew him. i had no contact with him. he left the campaign oral. there's undeniable, mike and his colleagues have reported on contacts between roger stone an bannon. the president has known roger stone for many, many years. and it's no obstruction, that donald trump tweets alms exactly right. we will hear from the president, oh, i...

Campaign will die this week. you spent a lot of time on both prongs of the mueller investigation. where do you see the significance of a potential stone indictment, if it should come this week on the collusion side. >> who are these people that were around him and who was he talking to? i've struggled to get my head around it. but what it really comes down to is one simple thing. was roger stone someone that boasted and bragged about connections to assange that he did not have, and he was simply doing that to increase his profile and give him more currency in trump's world or was he truly talk...

Collusion side of this. we're not going to use that word. we're going to use conspiracy. remind us what that investigation looks like from the standpoint of the fbi or the mueller investigators. how would you go about trying to knit together and understand whether or not the 13 russians who have already been charged by robert mueller and someone like roger stone and, if he's asking, paul manafort about it, what he would want to know about paul manafort's knowledge. and could it include anybody else? are they looking for an intersection between roger stone, assange, wikileaks and perhaps some o...