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But i think he cant have a perjury is the most serious, so i think hes probably going to tell the truth, or he should at least. She have learned from, you know, roger stone, on and on. The question is what did he i agree with you, but what did he learn from roger stone . Roger stone arguably you know, look, ive known stone a long time. He called himself a dirty trickster. He knew they were going to get his communications. Arguably he knew what would come out to be true would be bad for the president , and he may have taken a conviction because of it, and youre not hearing the president say hes...

Wbur and msnbc contributor. Kimberly, youve seen the documents and all of the reporting about it. What do you see as being significant about them . Well, what it does is it creates a clear connection between this effort to remove the ukrainian ambassador, to recall her, and secretary of state mike pompeo and Rudy Giuliani. It just adds more factual basis to the two weeks of testimony that we just saw in the impeachment hearings, which shows an effort to remove yovanovitch from her post because giuliani and others who were a part of this parallel tract focused on this investigation, getting an ...

That are very likely coming up at your Kitchen Table as you celebrate the holiday with relatives and friends. Were going to give you a special look at an ambitious project were rolling out in counties that are likely to decide and tell the story of the 2020 election. And were going to examine one of the most important trends right now in electoral politics. The suburban voter revolt against this president. Weve got all that and a lot more this hour. But were going to kick things off tonight with the issue consuming washington and on a collision course with ballot boxes everywhere. Impeachment....

Punt this down the road to another day, we can conduct american policy per, you know, normal. Per the way weve always done it. But, again, thats incredibly periless. To hear you stand in there and talk about creating a facade to fool the president is just stunning. Is there any sense surreal. From the people behind that door. Right over your right shoulder is the door to the press office where the press office staff sits and works all day and by design, theyre inches away from all of you. Do they have any idea what happened today . And do you pick up anything on the mood around there . Well, i...

Yeah. Bad day for the state of division because now that the truth is this obvious, the division becomes even more odious. It does, and i have to say at this point if youre continuing to say that there was no, as they say, quid pro quo or the president didnt ask or whatever, whether or not its impeachable, that is again not up for me to decide, not up for you to decide. Thats up for the senate to decide and the American People. But to deny that the president did not do something wrong at this point, it is plolitical. Its mental. Thats what it is. If you can look at the mountain of evidence and...