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Literally coming off, and if you can level off, which mitchell will try to do, you pass such a level of g-force, you can't imagine if it's survivable or whether nibble would be conscious. so when you try to run this through this simulator, it really can't be done. >> the actual numbers of 45,000 and 23,000, martin, may be slightly off. they sort of admit that the range or capability of the malaysians might not have been as strong. but the fundamental point of going up and coming down, going up, coming down, do the two of you believe that that would have been possible in these circumstances alb...

You want to make it smooth and you eventful. going up and down like a roller coaster -- >> we should point out the information about it going up and down. that information comes from signals sent to satellites as opposed to the drop -- the precipitous drop which comes from radar, which all along authorities have said they are very skeptical about. what about, martin, this new "wall street journal" reporting, that the first turn the plane made after the transponder was turned off, would have had to be manually made, as well the fact there would have to be more than one person involved, one pers...

That. we're about to go so slow we're going to fall out of the air. he's on the razor's edge of either toppling over the top too fast or too slow we're going to collapse down to the ground. let me show you what happens if you go over the top now and decide to descend at that rate. which you couldn't do, 40,000 feet, mitchell, push us over the top. >> let's do it. >> reporter: what you're going to find out there's going to be a tremendous g force that starts to build up. the alarms, the sink rate. what's that telling us? >> telling us we're sinking too fast and going too fast. you can hear the ...

Simulator, it really can't be done. >> the actual numbers of 45,000 and 23,000, martin, may be slightly off. they sort of admit that the radar capability of the malaysians might not have been as strong. but the fundamental point of going up and coming down, do the two of you believe that would have been possible in these circumstances albeit not to the extremes? >> mitchell? i'm going to put it to you. >> that is definitely in the realm of the extreme. going up and down like that, i mean, flying any airplane is all about very smallers smooth corrections. you have passengers in back. you want t...