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Is noteworthy that that has been deployed successfully about what the networks own official legal status of what comes out of that show is. >> you know lawyers will occasionally, say that is very usual defense to have, but they needed in the case of some of these more importance programs and making more wild outrageous and untrue claims. in the case of tucker carlson, what you are not hearing is the network defending him. or defend the facts. i have asked the question numerous times about this and other claims. and they have just pointed back to carlson's own claims. they have not stood by it....

Argued successfully in court that the host and show in question, tucker carlson, is not news and should not be believed. and that essentially -- and that it is so over the top, if you believe it, it's like sucker, buyer beware. they used this to defend against a claim of slander or libel. i think it's noteworthy that has been deployed successfully that what the network's own official legal status of what comes out of that show is. >> yeah. you know, lawyers will occasionally say that's a very useful defense to have, but they need it in the case of some of these more incendiary programs making ...

The core question, tim, the reason why i mentioned i don't look at this as just a media segment. we don't do a ton of anniversary segments about, i don't know, cbs' news division or whatever. the question to you is, is today's republican party different because of the existence of the company fox news? >> look, i think that there's no doubt that's the case, ari. in some ways fox is a reflection of the audience in addition to fox being a driver of the audience. i think both of those things can be happening at the same time. i think if you look at the evolution of fox over the last quarter centu...

Weather the criticism for the events of the last week is bolstered by an overwhelming number of americans disillusioned by the entire 20-year effort. ap is reporting today that 62% of all americans, including 57% of republicans, believe the war in afghanistan was not worth it. the president today telling abc news that the chaos that unfolded after the collapse of the afghan government would have played out no matter what. >> there's no good time to leave afghanistan. 15 years ago would have been a problem, 15 years from now. the basic choice is, am i going to send your sons and your daughters ...

The data that matt cited with regards to the changing demographics of the country, they view those demographics as an existential threat to the country that they think should be, that they believe america should be a white nation, so they're approaching the issue of voting and the ballot box as an existential question while many democrats are approaching it as a procedural or process question. that's the generous read. >> yes. >> the more cynical read is that the voting -- the for the people act actually empowers voters across the board and would jeopardize democrat's political position. it wo...