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Proceeding, but there's nothing that joe biden or any of the other witnesses republicans have talked about have to say about what the president is being impeached for. the only purpose of bringing them is for distraction urged by the master of distraction, donald trump. >> but why? if their argument is, you can't say the president had corrupt intent, which you would need for abuse or any type of what we call in the law sigh enter, malice aforethought because he has a legitimate belief that biden raises significant issues that ukraine and the servers, so we want to put on testimony to prove tha...

How would corrupt intent be provable from a criminal standpoint? >> sure. intent is always the hardest thing to prove. you have to get into someone's brain to figure out what it was they were planning to do or intending to do, trying to do. but investigators do this all the time. i mean, the fbi is very, very good at public corruption cases. and they built it through documents and through cooperating witnesses and circumstances. and so if there is an investigation, i can assure you that investigators are looking at the records of the people who were pardoned and whether they or their families ...

If the pardon was corrupt, the pardon still stands but there could be repercussions for the governor. >> how is something like that proven, again, given how broad and clear this power is. how would corrupt intent be provable from a criminal standpoint? >> sure. intent is always the hardest thing to prove. you have to get into someone's brain to figure out what it was they were planning to do or intending to do, trying to do. but investigators do this all the time. i mean, the fbi is very, very good at public corruption cases. and they built it through documents and through cooperating witnesse...

Not whether somebody acted, you know, rashly or recklessly or foolishly or prudently but whether they acted corruptly. if the pardon was corrupt, the pardon still stands but there could be repercussions for the governor. >> how is something like that proven, again, given how broad and clear this power is. how would corrupt intent be provable from a criminal standpoint? >> sure. intent is always the hardest thing to prove. you have to get into someone's brain to figure out what it was they were planning to do or intending to do, trying to do. but investigators do this all the time. i mean, the ...

President's power is a very, very severe breach of constitutional duty. no question about it. the framers saw it the same way. alexander hamilton put the word political in caps. i don't think that's the best over >> the ultimate jury is the american people. there are five polls out in the last week. >> they're split. >> it's about 45% on the real clear average for support for impeachment. over 50% against the impeachment. >> i've seen plenty of poes that call it 50%. 60% of the american people said he did something wrong. why didn't he just say that? i did it the wrong way. i shouldn't have do...