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Ukraine. rudy giuliani didn't want to go after corruption in ukraine. if you wanted to go after corruption, you wanted marie yovanovitch to ultimately be there. her reputation is impeccable, fighting corruption in ukraine and other posts she has had. you didn't want a corruption fighter. you wanted someone to cover up the corruption you were pursuing, which was to try to get a foreign government and hold them hostage to ultimately get involved in our democratic elections. the reason this should matter to your viewers, to every american, if we allow a foreign country to get involved in our elec...

When i interviewed witnesses, not just let sanko, she was specifically holding up visas ie investigation of pollution into ukraine and specifically the biden investigation. i have that testimony under oath. i gave it to the state department. they never investigated a single witness. when they say that she is innocent, it is innocent without investigation. >> laura: what they say, rudy -- >> it is a cover-up. it is a cover-up. >> laura: so the entire hearing she was saying and everyone else who knew her, she was there fighting corruption. she was a corruption fighter. >> i also have tapes accor...

Specifically holding up visas in order toen obstruct the investigation of pollution into collusion ukraine and specifically the biden investigation. i have that testimony under oath. i gave it to the state department. they never investigated a single witness. when they say that she is innocent, it is innocent without investigation. >> laura: what they say rudy -- >> it is a cover-up. it is a cover-up. >> laura: so the entire hearing she was saying and everyone else who knew her, she was there fighting corruption. she was a corruption fighter. >> i also have tapes according to ukrainian officia...

You have to understand, rudy is a great corruption fighter. >> joining us now, handcuff post senior justice reporter ryan riley and msnbc legal analyst carol lam. i guess when you hear the word "jeopardy" here, carol, this seems to be rife with a whole bunch of risks for rudy giuliani. we haven't heard from him as of late after the testimonies on the hill. where does giuliani sit right now in the case the democrats are trying to make? >> i don't want to get too far ahead of the fact, but there's no question the risk profile for rudy giuliani is getting higher. so this is what we know. we know ...

Pressure campaign to get ukraine to conduct investigations requested by the bidens. by august giuliani had met with senior zelensky aid andriy yermak and was reportedly involved in draft ing a statement that ukraine announced to the investigations themselves in public. giuliani and the trump administration's efforts in ukraine began to come to light just weeks later. however, despite the president's seemingly close relationship with his personal lawyer, this week he appeared to be distancing himself from rudy giuliani. >> what was giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> you have to ask th...