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Countries that have significant signals intelligence collections capability. and russia in particular puts a lot of resources, a lot of effort into listening in on the phone calls and the communication of senior u.s. intelligence officials. so that analysis is spot-on. now, most people might hear that and they might say, well, so what? nations spy. but here's why this makes a difference. look, gordon sondland will go up and testify next week about this phone call and whether or not it actually happened. and if he is -- if he denies that this actually -- that this phone call happened or if he's...

Manipulate and compromise that president. that's what putin is doing. the notion that putin may have teamed up with the hungarian leader to present a common theme and narrative is particularly disturbing from a counterintelligence perspective. a leader who only hears what he wants to hear is no longer a leader, andrea. he becomes a follower of anyone clever enough to feed him the narrative they want to feed him. >> and here is another example, right from that cabinet meeting yesterday with the president, proving your point about how he relates to totalitarian leaders. this is president trump a...

Just absent, he's actively undermining our national security and our form of government with every action that he takes, and it's dangerous. it's reached the point of dangerousness. >> frank, while i have you, because it's part of your title, this word "counterintelligence," we saw those reports today that mr. giuliani is the target perhaps or among them of a counterintelligence investigation. just what -- for us, the consumers of this news, what does that mean? >> yeah, and i want to exercise caution because just because fbi agents who happen to work counterintelligence are questioning people...

The president is the article 2 authority here. this was a problem of statutory concepts not envisioning this scenario existing in reality. >> sam, now, the "washington post" reporting is that the issue is a promise that the president made to a foreign leader on possibly a phone calm. you would have to -- i guess assuming that this person, the whistle blower knows that a president can dee clclassify an information he wants to, that wasn't a problem of passing along overly sensitive information. with that assumption in mind, is there any way to define the universe of possibility of what that lea...

We don't talk to the feds. that's what it sounds like to me. i want to focus on something the president said which is it's okay to listen. it's okay to listen if you're offered some as he called it research oppo from a foreign nation. here's what's wrong with a counter intelligence perspective. the moment you agree to sit down and listen, the moment they agree to sit down at that trump tower and listen to dirt being offered on hillary clinton, they are owned by that foreign power. that is the recruitment operation. you don't have to accept it. you don't have to receive it. yes, you've just cit...