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>> barack obama, this is what he said in 2014. refugee status -- >> you are the king of red herrings. >> refugee status is not granted just on economic need or because a family lives in a bad neighborhood or poverty, end quote. >> there is no question about that. the obama administration wrestled with the same problem -- hold on a second. we've been wrestling with this problem for 30 years. anybody you want to go to, we've been fighting about these same issues. but you've always wound upcoming to same crisis points, you got to reform the rules, congress never gets to that, there's a million re...

Candid and not honest about attempts to suppress the votes of latino voters in the united states and that's what this is about. >> but at the end of the day, if the president exerts executive privilege and we don't get to the bottom of that, then what. >> we got to go to the courts. at the end of the day -- we keep saying at the end of the day. this has been a very long day since the beginning of -- 800-and-some days. it's clear that the administration through this stonewalling that the three of us have talked about on air a bunch of times, there's been an unprecedented level of stonewalling a...

Average. donald trump's approval rating, his average approval rating is actually up a few ticks and a few points since the government shutdown. he's sitting at 44.1% in real clear politics. that is not a great number but you could see this little bottoming out point here recently. this was the government shutdown. you heard all of the stories about trump's numbers suddenly falling, collapsing and he ends up then sort of waiving on the government shutdown. and you see it is kind of returned now to 44%. now 44% by any historical standard is not that great but that is the pattern with donald trum...

There's nothing conservative about donald trump. you almost need a glossary for the old republican party. >> it's about this distasteful behavior that constantly is happening that you cannot in good conscience go along with. and i think that's what you're seeing with bob corker and with jeff flake and they're just saying enough, i want to be liberated, i don't want to have to defend an indefensible, i want to have my conscience back. someone like jeff flake, who was a mormon missionary, and he has seen societies that are at real crisis points, i think you look at the stand he's taken today and...

With us, we'll be fine. democrats stuck with clinton. the political question is will the republicans stay with trump? so far they have. we're in the middle of it. >> there is nothing dire. those were crisis points where it was existential. this is about checking in more and demanding better and interfacing with the white house and calling out. it is not about abandoning the president. i don't think anybody is expecting the republicans to run away from trump and say he should resign. it is about get in the game and own the accountability. be the check and balance you are supposed to be. >> ther...