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It that way. judson phillips has said some very disparaging things about john boehner, things the democrats don't say about him, in pushing the situation in that direction. how far are you willing to push them? you have tremendous amounts of money you can move in the direction of helping their opposition in the primary or something like that if they don't vote the way you want them to. if they voted on, say, a cut package of 35 billion, if boehner was able to pick up a couple more billion. would that be the kind of thing where you guys would go, let them vote on this, and fight on the next bud...

At. phil kerpen, you are the pressure groups that are forcing this number to move in the direction it has been moving. you have successfully put the pressure on john boehner to move it that way. judson phillips has said some very disparaging things about john boehner, things the democrats don't say about him, in pushing the situation in that direction. how far are you willing to push them? you have tremendous amounts of money you can move in the direction of helping their opposition in the primary or something like that if they don't vote the way you want them to. if they voted on, say, a cut ...

This number to move in the direction it has been moving. you have successfully put the pressure on john boehner to move it that way. judson phillips has said some very disparaging things about john boehner, things the democrats don't say about him, in pushing the situation in that direction. how far are you willing to push them? you have tremendous amounts of money you can move in the direction of helping their opposition in the primary or something like that if they don't vote the way you want them to. if they voted on, say, a cut package of 35 billion, if boehner was able to pick up a couple...

Has been firm in where we need to go. it's like we've been talking to ourselves. again, the president hasn't even been involved. that's been embarrassing. the senate democrats have been in denial. the american people aren't, lawrence. they understand how serious this situation is. >> well, the democrats are involved, and the president has been involved, and the vice president, joe biden's been involved. and they have negotiated -- >> oh, come on. >> they've negotiated, as you know, they've negotiated behind closed doors with john boehner and other people in the republican side a cut package of...

>> hey, lawrence -- >> joe biden negotiated the tax deal package with the republicans in december. he's negotiating on this. harry reid's negotiating on this. zblat long last, lawrence. >> and they have a proposal on the table for $33 billion. john boehner is working with them on that proposal. will you be able to vote for that proposal, or will you vote against that proposal if it comes to you? >> i was with john boehner three hours ago, and john boehner said he wasn't working with them on that number. i don't know where you get this $33 billion number from. >> all right, congressman. it's wh...