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Lights are flashing, as he said. after meeting the president in helsinki, if you're putin, what possible deterrent could you think of after that meeting? if you're putin, you think you have carte blanche to do whatever you want and the president is not going to call you on it. he might even have your back. >> i have a few seconds left here. do you think he emboldened putin? >> i think he did. and the scariest thing is hybrid warfare. it's the hybrid warfare he is capable of. the cyber stuff. going after our electrical grids and stuff like that. and propaganda operations. these are the things t...

That russia may have done. i think they are always up to no good and tried to do cyber stuff in our election. but that's different than saying there was collusion between trump's campaign and russia. there was no collusion. i have been on the front line to uncover the anti-trump bias. you have the guy who opened up the collusion investigation. peter strzok, he opened up the investigation a week later said no, trump won't be president. we will stop him. a week later he texted his lover and said we need an insurance policy in case this guy wins. i am one of the few who were out there from the be...

Effort from the dictatorship. and that whole system within the north korean dictatorship was actually built up by the guy who built that agency. the guy who built the reconnaissance general bureau. this military intelligence agency in north korea that's done all this stuff, that's in charge of foreign espionage, foreign intelligence and all their cyber stuff, this agency was only founded in 2009 or 2010. founding director of the agency is a guy named kim yong chol. he founded that -- the north korean cia, nsa combined. he founded it in 2009 or 2010 and ran it until very recently. he is the sen...

Just walk right across and they do it. it is a national security issue and an economic issue and a humanitarian issue all wrapped into one. >> i agree, and there are better ways to do it. with drones, with people on the ground, we don't need to waste money -- let me say one more thing on the wall really quickly. instead of building a physical wall with mexico. i have an idea. why don't we build a wall with russia? that's a real threat, not mexico. let's look to the other side. >> laura: i love the fact, jose, i'm going to salute you for getting the russia reference in. that's like a camel sit ...

Cyber. >> exactly. >> it came through even, i remember president obama after the sony hit with north korea. they were having a large debate, helene, and you covered a lot of that, about how to retaliate, they knew they needed to but they weren't sure how to do it. >> when it comes to retaliating against this regime, we don't know how to handle it. but we have done plenty of cyber stuff on iran. it's why north korea to this day as not achieved its nuclear ambitions is because of our cyber program. so it's not as if we don't try to do this ourselves. >> we didn't do it after the opm attack, we d...