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Was evaluated. now, fbi agents at the time, he did do an assessment. they looked at data bases. they also interfered family members. their assessment was closed shortly after that. however, right now, authorities looking very, very closely at all family members. they're interviewing him to try to figure out exactly what is going on with santiago. and why he did what he is alleged to have done. deborah feyerick, cnn, union city, new jersey. >> deborah, thank you. now, esteban santiago flew into florida on a flight from alaska. there was a stop in minnesota. law enforcement officials say he had ...

Between, you know, an act of espionage, which we conduct as well and other nations do, versus an attack. mike, you want to comment? >> just as a broader point, i think the opm issue highlights that massive data concentrations increasingly have value all of their own. what do i mean by that? i can remember ten years ago earlier in my time in cyber thinking to myself large data bases like opm are so large the ability of an external actor to access and bore their way upon millions and millions of records would be difficult. but with the power of big data analytics, large data concentrations now b...

Trump could use if he does decide to reverse the sanctions. >> hallie jackson at mar-a-lago or near mar-a-lago for us. thank you so much. >> also getting new details about some of the suspected russian hackers on the sanctions list, and msnbc's cal perry is here with more on that.fascinat. >> fantastic. they're wanted by the fbi, not on the fbi's most wanted list, which is a dementic sort of difference there. i love this, by the way, the aliases. m-4g. this individual is really wanted for hacking into e-commerce companies, doloading their data bases, taking their consumer information and selli...

Encrypted would put him at the high end of terror suspects. this is not somebody you look at occasionally, you check commercial data bases, you look at whether he's trying to acquire a weapon. that person requires al intelligence scrutiny at the top end. you start getting to a question that says he's not just one of a fire hose. what happened here. i don't have an answer for you. >> you have action and reaction. we're in that phase right now, chris. what are you hearing from german authorities and the berliners about what this motivates in terms of political response, especially with angela me...

The rnc was hacked. talk about the reporting. talk about the disputes, and what can you tell us this morning? >> it's a fascinating insight into how intelligence is developed. what we reported, joe, is that in the course of the intelligence reports that went to congress and to the president, the cia and other intelligence agencies reported with my confidence that the rnc had been hacked. and this was because they saw data from rnc data bases that were out there. but the rnc had insisted over the weekend they would not say this to us on friday night when they refused to comment, they insist tha...