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capitol since the war of 1812. >> meanwhile, the committee is debating whether or not to rerve the former president trump to the justice department for criminal prosecution. last hour we spoke with a member of the committee, congressman adam kinzinger who seemed open to that idea. >> i can't do the doj's job. as a nonlawyer, there is all kinds of threshold questions. but my belief is this. we never want to get to a position in a country where we prosecute last administrations because that is what failed republicans, failed democracies do. but if a failed coup and an obvious coup atte...

Democrats in this state want arizona to embrace the failed socialist polies advanced by the biden/harris administration. but arizonans knows that the future belongs to freedom. >> david sider was at the rally for the trump backed candidate on friday. he joins us now. and david, you report on this in a new piece which has the headline trump and spence squared off in the desert. it was one sided. you write in this part, this was billed as a split screen proxy war in the desert. donald trump versus mike pence in a midterm election skirmish that would provide an early indication about the future o...

Electorally damaging it is to the gop there. this devotion, i think, to like you said, it might not be the one man, it is trumpism, that is clearly what people are on the ground for. >> david, kari lake seems likely to persevere in this primary and so will be a general candidate, how is she going to fair in a general election. is this another example of a trump backed maga candidate who is going to face tough odds when it comes down to a general election? >> that is interesting. i don't think that democrats look at this race as, for example, the dga has not been pouring money in kari lake's ca...

Politics in mellow dramatic terms, we need the big villain and then vanish the villain and all will be well. but the problem isn't just trump. trump is like a kind of cipher, a representation of something that is much more disperse, much more kind of widely shared by a segment of the country. and this takes me to, you david. in terms of what you see, right. when we think about someone like rusty bowers in arizona, he can in some ways reveal this schism, the debate that is happening. this you just described. talk about what he in some ways signals in terms of this so-called debate between these...

And Mike Pence breaks with Trump again on the future of the GOP.