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Can play off a populist persona. most can't do that. >> murphy, mark cuban? mark cuban? >> you know, maybe -- i think it's interesting to listen to my democratic friends here, i'm hearing candidates who are strong in the identity politics wing of the democratic peat. that's exactly what got him into trouble this team. who is the young generational populist. maybe it's a cuban, but it could be a governor. but there aren't any democratic governors left. that's the vacuum they've got left. they have to learn how to solve it and not go back to the same old stuff. >> steve, do you think democrats n...

By 2024, the republican party will catch up with the democratic peat, which as we know, any of the top people we're talking about running for president in the democratic nomination in 2016, whether it's hillary clinton, joe biden, andrew cuomo or martin o'malley, all of them are for marriage equality. >> jonathan, let's talk about -- jonathan brings up the friends of the court brief and the sense that public opinion is definitely moving in one direction. to what degree is the supreme court going to take that into consideration? and i just want to bring up the sort of parallel argument here, wh...