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mexico and attempting to enter the united states without going through our legal processes. we responded by using and ensuring there are two safe and lawful ways for someone leaving the country to come to america. that was one of the reasons you were proposing. first, if they are seeking asylum, they can use an app on their phone called cbpone. that's to spell it out. not the number 1. to schedule an appointment at a port of entry and make their asylum claim there without crossing the border unlawfully and have a decision determined by an asylum officer, do they qualify? second, in o...

If they wanted to make the ban lawful and constitutional, how would they change it? >> it was a poorly crafted executive order and it was a terrible roll-out. but i still think that the law favors the administration once you get to the merits. i don't agree with many of those, some of those cases. but the courts have been highly differential to the president and they generally don't second guess. i think the people also have to acknowledge that the trump administration here is making the identical argument to the obama administration. the obama administration argued the president's judgment on...

Laurie of the u.s. conference of catholic bishops. he was the lead witness at the hearing. thank you very much, bishop, for joining us. could you take us through the hearing? we heard a lot of controversy. we heard democrats objecting. we heard democrats getting up and walking out. what did you see, sir? >> basically, the struggle was whether or not the hearing was about religious liberty or about contraception. and so-called preventative services. it was a hearing about religious liberty. that's why this great ecumenical and interfaith panel was there. and that's why i told the story about th...

Very similar. and for all the democrats objecting now, i didn't hear a peep of objection from them when just last year these arguments were being made by the same justice department. >> it's just an interesting debate. we will be calling on you many more times. thank you, professor. thank you kelly o'donnell. thank you, michael and ali as i said is stuck with me for the night. coming up how does the white house handle its first real blow to one of its signature policy issues? that's next when the 11th hour continues. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one...