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Attack. that's a strong statement, what do you think? >> i agree with lindsay that assad is a legitimate target. what we really need to do is do this through the prism of looking at north korea. what the president wants to do as a demonstration effect for the north korean regime of what will happen to them if they don't stop. >> martha: i understand what you're saying, but it is a decision of itself that brings us to something that we can't simply walk away from. >> i agree with ben and general jack keane who is on your show the other night. we need to do is do not eliminated but he knows stri...

It's going to continue to happen it's a very dangerous demonstration effect. the chinese view what's happening, non-state actors, terrorist groups see that we can be thrown into confusion and chaos and eat our own young when controversy is created. and the fact that it's laid out in the indictment the russians have played on the social divisions and political divisions and are playing right to the heart of our democracy, that's a real problem and that's max's point. >> it gets to your point, which is we're having a conversation that's based largely on the facts of the indictment and the crimin...

The demonstration effect of these kinds of vehicular attacks, something they have called for in their videos including a publication to do precisely this is now upon us. it is the new waive of terrorism. it is effective, easy to do. it can be done where pedestrians are congregating. it doesn't rely on a mass event or a government building as a target set. so this is the new wave of terror and they are scrambling to figure out how to do this as we have seen in spain over the last couple of years but how to protect civilians in these kinds of areas and situations. it's very difficult to stop. >>...

Over 100 people were injured. i'm joined by the senior national security analyst, and the former deputy national security adviser for terrorism under president george w. bush. juan, we are forced to cover way too much cover way too much of this. i have been forced to have too many conversations with gentlemen. the difference between a van and a weapon is a fraction of a second. it is a one right turn or a left turn and someone stomping on the gas and that's what makes it truly terrorism and truly impossible to police. >> that's right. i hate to be on talking about these issues and our thoughts...

Jihadi lc jihadi lexicon, spain holds a special place because it was the area once under islamic control, that they think it will be a moment of return for this movement and that's in part why the spanish colonies in north africa have come under some direct pressure and why spanish authorities have been under pressure for some time. if we're looking at a potential set of suspects, it's violent islamic extremists who have been of concern to the spanish authorities for some time and as you indicate in your question, the demonstration effect of -- the use of simple means to achieve mass terrorist...