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And at the same time though, you can still have on the republican side, there is this notion that this is just all a game. like, it is not a game at, all it is real. and so when you think about what happened in florida, not only the absurdity of desantis for -- but for the next day for the chief of staff who was on maternity leave, to them be fired and harassed at their home? you should be able to serve your country without getting a service at your home for doing everything right. and so this is, real simon can't ignore it, but we also have to recognize that their rhetoric is not working on t...

I'm telling the truth. you know, i agree with tim scott about the new standards in florida, and and i think that what they've done is wrong. and or worse yet, what i really criticize governor desantis for, is he said i didn't have newing to do with it and i didn't know anything about it. well, that's not research. that's looking out at what's going on in your state and saying you're not responsible when you're the governor. and, look, on, you know, nikki haley and tim scott, look, i was disappointed with tim when he said that the president was not responsible for what happened on january 6th. ...

The budget, which we should be concerned about. he added $6 trillion to the debt. it's what he failed to do as president, not personally. >> neil: i mentioned nikki haley, governor but i can extend it to tim scott. you criticize i'd him for not blame donald trump at the january 6. you've talked about ron desantis and the new african american teaching and the florida board of education. it gives some the impression that you have a scorched earth policy when it comes to republican presidential candidates beyond donald trump. what do you say to them? >> i'm sorry, neil, i'm telling the truth. i a...

Resources to do that, he's campaigning with a phrenetic pace already. my view is we're going to close this gap, i'm of the firm view that it is a two-man race. >> so, hey, desantis campaign, define him. what have we seen so far? we've seen the trump super pac allies defining desantis for desantis which is never what you want. you never want to be defined by your opponents. >> no, you don't. i do think what he's saying about the brand image around ron desantis, i know from walking to some of desantis' advisers that that's something that they really want to lean into and this image that he's a f...

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and several other 2024 GOP candidates oppose Speaker Kevin McCarthy's debt limit deal while former President Donald Trump remains silent.