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100,000 troops there to begin with. what do you make of the calculations he's made in. >> well, look, sanctions are not part of that strategic judgment because whether you're iran or north korea or russia, you have learned how to live with sanctions. these are controlled economies. you can always make sure there's cash for what you want. sanctions are there to punish and limit, not there to deter. so they have no deterrent value whatsoever. what does get putin's attention is strength. and so ironically, what we shouldn't be doing is we shouldn't be threatening him. we should be doing the oppos...

Government at the time that trump is alleging executive privilege. the only discussions that were taking place lee in trump's term or about bannon's part. and they're certainly not privileged. is not pursuant to a deliberate of privilege. and we have to have a situation where there's either inherent content, civil contempt or criminal content. but the house has to move forward, because you also have to have a deterrent value. if you're going to be subpoenaing other witnesses, you have to show them your willing to enforce the law. >> so, jeff, how do you see this playing out in? it's been decad...

Hanging government officials who he considered traitors at the insurrection. he used a bullhorn to demand police turn over the congress people to the insurrectionists. and then, chris, when he got dressed up in that fur and horns, he put himself out there. now prosecutors are making an example of him. they want the world to know who is going to prison for four or five years. that's a long time. it's called deterrence. it's an important message to anybody else who might be considering trying to overturnen an election with a violent mob. >> i guess that's a good point to the extent that you like...

>> so there's a few things happening here. first of all, as to the death penalty issue, you know, when you look at the moratorium on death penalty, you know, sentences in california, it really would not make sense from a practical perspective. i know that, you know, certainly prosecutors -- many prosecutors in various jurisdictions seek the death penalty. that's a debate we can have whether it's appropriate, serves as any deterrent value, all of those. there's a moratorium there. the practical question is even if that were sought and if it were found, whether it applies. i think it's appropria...

Personnel carrier vehicles. a lot of people mistake them for tanks but they're actually not exactly the same as a tank. they do provide a lot of fire power and they do provide a deterrent value. when you see one of those parked somewhere, if you're isis, isis generally doesn't have the kind of weapons to take on a bradley. the other elements that you mentioned around that area are the russian military, the syrian regime. now turkey is coming from north down south towards where the u.s. is partnered with the sdf. we were fortunate enough to talk to some of the troops and spend some time with th...