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Interview who interviewed patrick a couple days ago. so you get a sense based on the interview that you had with deval patrick, how does he plan to try to bridge this divide? >> he sees himself as that center alternative, somebody who can appeal to a voter who maybe doesn't want medicare for all and maybe is uncomfortable with all of the very transformative positions that the more left leaning candidates have. but who don't want a nostalgic candidate. he didn't name joe biden by name. but that is what he meant. but squomeone who is in the center. he thinks he has a broad background as a govern...

Think about things like fund raising and getting his name recognition up. >> and speaking of name recognition, there is actually an interesting moment on msnbc earlier this morning with the atlanta mayor who says that she asked her mother about deval patrick. here's what she had to say. >> i asked my mother as i was preparing to go on today specifically what do you think of deval patrick? my mother votes in every election. and she said who is deval patrick. and i think that is probably going to be the same in a lot of seasoned african-american voters. >> so what does deval patrick do about tha...

Himself. >> and of obviously in iowa he has strong support. are his supporters confident that he can beat donald trump? >> reporter: his supporters are. but when you look at likely caucusgoers more blood s broad say they are confident that he would defeat donald trump. joe biden does a little better on those numbers, but is this a factor for all of the candidates that democrats are not totally convinced that they are going to win against trump in a general election. and that is one of the reasons that we're seeing new candidates look at getting into the race such as deval patrick and even pote...

Buttigieg, and this is also true though about i think other candidates that are being defined as centrists. i think that this is also true when it comes to certainly deval patric patrick, possibly michael bloomberg and other candidates. i think the thing that difrp differentiates mr. biden from this pack is that he has name recognition or i guess some relationship to obama in the mind of many black voters that seems to set him apart from this group. >> i was meeting with activists earlier this week and they were saying nobody has been speaking their truth as far as the democratic candidates in...

Well as bernie sanders. vaughn, thank you. couldn't help but notice behind you somebody in shorts and a t-shirt running. thanks. meanwhile former massachusetts governor deval patrick is touting his record as, quote, a bridge builder despite growing concerns that he could splinter democratic support. today he tells chuck todd that his late entry into the race isn't necessarily a criticism of the current democratic field. >> my entry into the brarace is about them and i'm not trying to climb on top of them to do what i think that i can do. i think that i have a record of being a bridge builder a...