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Lot of cases that are shakedowns, threats. i've never seen any of them say, would you please do me a favor. it's more like "i'm going to break your legs and you're going to be at the bottom of the river." and the other thing about the secret server it was on, if the tape or the transcript of the phone conversation was deleted, if it was destroyed, that would be evidence of consciousness of guilt. but when it's just put in a place where it can be retrieved, maybe it's just national security. so i'm just being devil's advocate in responding to your question. >> i completely understand that. >> i...

Be evidence of consciousness of guilt. but when it's just put in a place where it can be retrieved, maybe it's just national security. so i'm just being devil's advocate and responding to your question. >> i completely understand that. >> bi have to push back there ad say do you really think the president of the united states or someone in a position of power like that, would say i'm going to break your legs or you're going to be at the bottom of a river. do you think it would be a more subtle ask? >> absolutely, but what we have -- >> and he didn't say please. he said, i would love you to do ...

We have the conversation. that's where nancy pelosi jumped on this and said impeachable. this guy is trading national interests, public trust for personal political gain. right there in that conversation. >> i mean, you know, he has supporters at rallies saying, read the transcript. i've read the transcript. the transcript is damning in its own right. i think it defies credulity for the president to claim or any of his supporters to claim that he wasn't involved in this decision and if that is the argument they're making, that actually says something equally damning about the way this white ho...

Still an impeachable offense. the president was demanding a thing of value, an investigation into a political rival for his personal political gain and abuse of power and he was also withholding and leveraging military aid that our congress had determined was in the best national security interest of our country. even apart from whether there was a quid pro quo, this to me is an impeachable offense. >> why does it rise to the level of being an impeachable offense? i'm just playing devil's advocate here. >> yes. president trump put our national security at risk by withholding military aid. he r...

You know they want to now call the whistle-blower and hunter biden and witnesses to undermine the steel dossier. maybe they will call president obama's birth certificate as a witness. i'll up him one. maybe they will call monica lewinsky. let's call all of john wilks booth surviving relatives. it's nfl sunday, come on hand. >> glenn, maybe this list is not in your eyes a great list here. but is there a possibility, just playing devil's advocate here that the democrats or some of these individuals agree to testify and it helps the democrats case. >> it might. you know what? you don't want to ge...