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And you see -- again, as i'm watching that, those are tanks in the street of a european city in the year 2022, a country that didn't attack russia. it's just invading because putin doesn't believe it's a country. and that's what we're seeing unfold here. and they are making good progress in the south from the russian perspective. slower, i'm told, from the u.s. military perspective in the east and the north, but still progress. an open question is why so slow around kyiv? but we're only six days in. and still a massive force. and you have that massive force coming down the highway and that con...

Policy and politics. and i thought warren captured that. i thought booker did well capturing some of that. and even de blasio i think spoke out about obscurity to assert himself in a way that was powerful. >> de blasio was the foirs get the debate going on the issue of health care for all versus private insurance. and for what m.j. alluded to in that they never attacked biden, they also didn't attack elizabeth warren. she out of the gate got the first two or three questions. but she was nowhere to be found on the issue of immigration. and really, that was an area where we didn't see much from ...

All these case, including himself and still face state prosecution because of this kind of stuff that is being picked up now? >> you know, even if this wasn't a politically dangerous strategy, something that clearly crosses everybody's red line, it just as a practical matter won't work because these people could be recharged in the state system. the pardon wouldn't apply. the president can't pardon people for crimes that they commit that are state crimes. and at the end of the day, these folks still have exposure. >> okay, thank you. it's great having your expertise. joyce vance for joining us...

Discussion, it's the way the president brought it up and so quickly. >> yeah. i think that's right. look, i think it's perfectly legitimate to debate, should we have a merit-based program or should we have this diversity visa lottery. and when this -- chuck schumer was instrumental in passing it, but that was 20-some years ago. the world has changed. and from time to time, countries do want to re-evaluate their immigration policy. i think the question is, in the immediate aftermath of this terrorist attack, is it proper for a president to politicize something? but, look, if we're expecting don...

Nationalist terrorist, never heard him be specific about the white nationalist terrorists who just killed three people. he insist barack obama be about the problem with radical muslims. when you have those kinds of inconsistenc inconsistencies, andre, you are somebody in the republican party who has been a leading light, anti-racist. we know that about you, but there are people who if you look at what's happening online, white supremacist groups are saying hey, donald trump didn't attack us. god bless donald trump, because they expected to get some blow-back from the president. they didn't get...