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Decisions. he should be able to live the rest of his life in the united states without this constant threat hanging over him. >> we know there is a history, it's happened before, scooter lib by who worked for dig cheney, they were angry, they were angry about the fact there was no uranium in iraq and they ousted valerie plain, they did that on purpose to punish the husband. so we know there has been a po litization and she was vocal that could put people's lives in danger. in that case it was a lie from the bush administration about war. in this case it's donald trump's legitimacy that's in qu...

He didn't have a chief of staff. he eventually hired one two years into his term. he said not having a chief of staff didn't work for him because there's too much to do as president. i think you agree with that, right? >> absolutely. there was a time republicans believed you had a pyramid structure. this came out of isha seseisenh. the president would have all these different people reporting to him, it was a disaster under carter. jerry ford tried it for a while, it was a disaster. the staff gave dig cheney, the chief of staff a gnarled bicycle tire showing how bad it's been. >> this presiden...

Nbcnews.com, pence creates his own president's club and talks with biden and cheney, he details how they maintain contact with his predecessors, pence spoo exto former vice president on the phone at least monthly, he's had numerous conversations with former vice president dig cheney, including at least one meeting in his west wing office, according to people close to each of them this vice president's club is a contrast to the bitter breakdown between trump and barack obama. notable distance from george w. bush a fellow republican. obama and trump have fought spoken to each other or communicat...

The interplay between congress and the white house and a number of things and similarly, those are conversations that pence has had with dig cheney. >> thank you, you've had conversations with joe pence, how do you think they are, two or three hours? >> the biggest issue mike pence, he is used to say, joe, joe, i got to go. as carole points out, this began because of vice president's affinity for cooperation throughout his career, his love of politics, but his larger love of the country, the united states of america. >> talking about biden here? >> yeah, joe biden. this began immediately after...

Feed. >> reaction. >> and it seemed that donald trump doused kerosene all over himself and setting himself on fire. then i started looking at the text of the speech and i saw, yes, very strong language towards north korea. language you and i wouldn't prefer and be used. but he also criticized iran. he also criticized venezuela. he criticized rogue regems. he spoke glowingly of the marshall plan. he talked about dig cheney and richard pearl on steroids talking about the righteous many ago ens the evil few. i would say, okay, so i'm missing something here. then i read you are op-ed later in the ...