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What we are seeing the democrats now is lay out that they will soon be turning to public hearings. if we see people like bill taylor come up and testify and gordon sondland come up and testify and they give publicly the kind of explosive testimony they have given privately. and you're right, gordon sondland's attorney made it very clear over the weekend that he was not going to be the fall guy for donald trump. if they give that testimony publicly, maybe that's the thing that moves public opinion and that's what has an impact on the senate. >> jonathan lemire, it's an interesting point, and i'...

Now over a pulgs recent decision to let key ole oligarch's company off the hook. he is forcing troops out of syria. and after the trump administration was announcing it was compelling 60 russian dip plats in retaliation for the poisoning of a british spy and his daughter, trump was nurs fu when we went too far. there were curse words. a lot of curse words from the president. so whether the comparison is obama's sanctions, reagan's challenge to tear down this wall or jfk staring down the missile crisis, if you believe that trump's been tougher on russia then i've got a >> such good context, par...

Colossal blackmail which is washington's chief instrument in the scene. nato now revoking the creditdation of seven russians. as we have witnessed the united states with its expulsion of 60 diplomats in this country. four works here in washington, d.c. joined what's a growing number of countries around the fwloeb, more than 20 countries, now more than two dozen who have compell compell compelled 130 plus dip plats. the u.s. anticipates russia will respond after obama expelled 35 russian diplomats, accusing them of russian interference in the 2016 election. russia last year responded expelling ...

He's sending out? >> well, for other leaders what a lot of them -- what their dip plats who represent them tell me is they see it as a joke when he tweets things like this. but he gives sites like this credibility. one contrarian note i'd like to strike is, yes, we as journalists are under fire in a very personal way by this president. but that means we all the more have to, in the case of regular reporters out there, try not to give our opinion, try not to get down in the dirt and fight it out that way. we should be fighting with facts. we should be fighting with straight stories so that the ...

Work has been done for this deal. >> that's the structure of the trip, it'll be very interesting to see. particularly with him going to japan first, it should be a relationship to straighten up things with or allies. that's not going to be the case here. we don't have dip plats on the ground to do this kind of negotiation. they're taking him golfing. they're second to china in trade deficit. import of cars, that's a huge problem. this goes to trump's manufacturing base. same thing with south korea. these are issues that go directly to trump's promise on the campaign to help manufacturing in am...