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Anymore. >> i want it go farther because did i see a good bit of that rally last night and i don't think we should show. but for the reasons you said, you get the feeling the guy is kind of unhinged and desperate. he is just saying stuff and flailing out in ways that are even more crazy than what he normally does. and the stuff he said about the bidens, you know, the words he used. >> yeah. >> it's all pretty disgusting. >> it was really disturbing stuff. we're going to actually get to the giuliani story after a break. >> i love it. >> tom winter, nbc news tom winter will join us as well as da...

Sorry for you, it's actually paying off. and people don't understand that's the shtik. how many times have people looked at you and said donny deutsch, he's a sympathetic figure until now? you know it helps you with the guys. you know it helps you with your kids. you know it helps you with, well, everybody. >> just two thoughts on that. >> yeah. >> if i had a dollar for every time somebody stops me on the street and go why do mika and joe hate you so much, it's a shtik. it's television, kids. >> i mean what i say. >> i thought you were going to read the tweet about bring back saturday night po...

Completely the opposite of what we heard from them when barack obama was president. >> you know, let's move to julia ainsley's reporting because you have a growing number of groups of people coming together to sign letters saying what you're doing is wrong. and what kind of space does that make? what's your reporting, julia? >> well, mika, the subpoena issue is at the heart of this reporting as well. we obtained a letter from 22 former classmates. and what they're saying is the letter he sent to house democrats on tuesday presents something that they say is unconstitutional and does not reflec...

Russia hawk and expert and she knows a lot. she was there, she knows everything that happened up to that fun to call and she knows not only just about ukraine, mika, but she knows a ton about russia. she was there for everything that the president was doing with russia until she left this summer. >> so, kurt, what do you make of this? what stands out to you and also what else do you expect the committee to get out of people like rick perry if they ever can get them to talk? >> well, i think what we're seeing, mika, is rudy giuliani is becoming the central figure in this probe. put there really...

Of colorado, that was him painfully dodging questions about whether it was appropriate for president trump to ask foreign countries to investigate his rivals. joining us now, politics and journalism professor at morgan state university, politics editor at the root and msnbc political contributor jason johnson. staff writer at the atlantic, david fromm joins us. and carlos curbelo of florida, he's an nbc news and msnbc political tricontributor. congressman, why is it so hard to answer that question, do you think? it doesn't seem that -- could you try to answer it? >> mika, this is the impossibl...