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Back. similarly with jeremy corbyn. politicians do what politicians do. this relationship goes on. >> bret: the president is a counterpunch or, as we have said. the brexit vote that was a preamble almost to the donald trump vote that spoke to something else was happening, this populism. >> there is an uprising that transcends our country invaders. it's happening a lot of places. donald trump is certainly a result of that. to some extent, the cause. more a result. the strain that it causes is reflected. strikingly, set aside by the people that mattered for the purposes of this visit, and that's...

Who i worked that would lose his cool every time someone told him we lacked evidence or we lacked proof. and his point was always that the cia and the intelligence community more broadly doesn't deal in evidence. we don't deal in proof. we deal in intelligence and analysts make assessments based on those -- based on that intelligence. it's more art than science often times. to apply this to another case, we heard so much from mike pompeo and president trump that there is allegedly no direct reporting tying the saudi crowned prince to the murder of jamal khashoggi. at the same time, we know thr...

Ongoing let alone renewed and deepened relationship, but that's actually what happened between him and deutsche bank after that stunt. he couldn't pay them back $40 million that he owed them. when they came for it he was like, no, i'm suing you for $3 billion. what? and they responded by loaning him a ton more money. and the little twist in that that has always seemed inexplicable is that what deutsche bank did there was they moved trump over from another part of their bank to their private wealth division. that's how they got that $40 million payment that trump wasn't otherwise going to pay t...

There? >> there has been at least a rekindling of some discussion. in fact, it was telling last night, people i talked to close to the white house noticed that sean hannity on fox news, who frankly sometimes acts as an unofficial white house spokesman, floated this very idea on his show last night. the question is was that a float with the president's blessing or is that his attempt to steer the president a certain way, which we know sometimes advisers to donald trump find the best way to advise him is to do so through television. this is something that the president himself was -- they were c...

That is very clear. so the problem is the president doesn't deal in facts or truth. and so when we're trying to move forward with policy, we have to sort of undo some of his mind-set. now, the interesting -- hold on, let me finish. >> sure. >> so the interesting thing though is we also know this president doesn't respect his own party. so he may actually decide to just do a deal with nancy and chuck based on however they configure their negotiation and leave mitch mcconnell looking in the wind because he doesn't speak to anyone unless it's via twitter. >> i'll ask it a different way. i was ask...