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The impressions you see in those polls, these negative things, i keep coming back to the quinnipiac poll where people can choose what they say about her and the number one was liar, the number two was dishonest. when you see that then see the different narratives of different things, the e-mails, all these sort of things, they reinforce that. that's a problem pfor her. >> on the national front, eight points, it's a pretty stunning gap you're talking about. what matters is state-by-state. if he wins the big swings, right, ohio, florida, pennsylvania, he still doesn't win. >> yeah, so think abou...

About the trump brand and the damage. every single trump hotel and golf course is toast, done, over, bernie madoff has a better brand. agree with that? >> yes and no. in a couple of years from now. let's say he doesn't win. and you have to make a trip to chicago and there's a very good trump hotel in chicago. it's a great hotel. i will give donald trump all the credit for building great hotels, or the next time you go to dc and go on expedia and find a good rate and it's a trump hotel, are you going to say, i'm not going to say there? i think there will be some people who won't, but i'm not co...

Establishment people that are weak within the republican party senators and others and paul ryan led to a certain extent by paul ryan. >> they were holding you back? >> not holding back no but they're not giving support. they don't give the kind of support. we got more than 14 million votes, more than anybody in the history of the republican primaries, bill, and they don't give the support that we really need. >> okay. but i'm still confused. >> i'm better off with their without their support, if you want to know the truth. >> you might be. >> bob, the whole unshackled remark raises a lot of e...

And if he doesn't win, he can blame the republican establishment for not giving him the money or the support. but overall i just think -- think about who has hillary clinton other than going after donald trump, who has she gone after this election cycle? maybe bernie sanders? that's it. donald trump has gone after the kahn family, miss universe, paul ryan now. the thing is when donald trump goes after hillary clinton, he's very effective. he just has to keep the focus on her. >> what do you think, mark, of the sharkelckled language? >> at this level, the very, very top of politics, the first i...

He's part of thistreme attack people, don't come up with ideas, demagogue the democrats and clinton in particular, divide our country. it's a really sad thing that we're seeing. and i pray he doesn't win. >> it's a sad thing. but how big is that base? we watched donald trump fire up that ann coulter, sean hannity universe. is it big enough to win an election? >> it's not big enough to win an election, but it's big enough to divide the republican party. and that's the sad thing. you know, the tea party folks are good folks, but they said don't compromise. don't give in. and protect the constitu...