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We both know, steve, after this conversation karine will get beat up, i'm going to get beat up because people will say i'm in favor of life and you want to kill babies which is both not fair because you don't know where we are personally, you know what we are arguing professionally and me as a journalist encouraging both sides but the question is so important, steve, if you just leave it down to the will of people, where can you have access to reproductive rights and where can't you, think about what that means for people's lives. don't be insensitive to that. >> i understand that. it's so imp...

Up because people will say i'm in favor of life and you want to kill babies which is both not fair because you don't know where we are personally, you know what we are arguing professionally and me as a journalist encouraging both sides but the question is so important, steve, if you just leave it down to the will of people, where can you have access to reproductive rights and where can't you, think about what that means for people's lives. don't be incensensitive to that >> i understand that. it's so important that we can't possibly leave it up to five unelected justices to make the decision....

I think the supreme court majority failed. i think they let the country down. this is reminiscent of dredd scott. i believe this will make the same fate as those. it will be overruled when our country is set back on better constitutional footing and better moral grounding because this supreme court right now seems to be of the mind that the p president can do whatever he wants, as long as he's the president. that's scary. we look for the supreme court to protect people. particularly people of discreet minorities and they have said we're not in that business anymore. that's very disturbing. >> ...

Themselves, making people believe there are people other than you here to take your opportunities, they are not citizens like you. that rhetoric that goes back as far as the very first slave ship that got here. i just was recent lee reading the dred scott decision over again crying because i watched the chief justice of the supreme court argue diligently to explain to dredd scott why he wasn't a citizen. so here we are years later in 2018 still proving we have as much right in economic justice and to vote and very basic laws. and we're having to have this argument with someone who's supposed t...

most important piece of sil right right -- civil rights legislation ever in its passage. and the country that brought today's case to strike down the law, in the 60s protesters endured t fire hosts, bombings and beatings to protect voting rights. after the president signed the law into law, he spoke about the impact he hoped it would have. >> today is a triumph for freedom as huge as any victory that has ever been won on any battlefield. they came in darkness and they came in change and today, we strike away the last major shackle of those fierce and ancient bonds. >> michael: martin...