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So, when it came out as rapidly as it did, and the first question to the jury, in order for trump to be found liable of battery, he had to wear or sexually abuse her or forcibly touch her, one of the above. the answer to rape was no. the answer to sexual abuse was yes. and then, after that, it was very quick with the defamation charges, with the damages totaling $5 million. that was pretty quiet, although there was a lawyer of lawsuits from a firm representing carroll that and there was this moment of sort of relief because it gave them this really, you know, tough cross-examination. why didn t you go to the police? she said, i didn t go to the police because i would not have gotten justice, basically. so, to go full circle from that questioning to actually getting a jury to agree with her i mean, we all remember when that access hollywood tape came out during the campaign people thought, oh, that s it for trump. since then, as you know, dozens of women have made this ....
Today is the first time the first time he faced repercussions for that behavior. in a court of law, under the highest standards of evidence that we have, a jury agreeing that he did sexually abuse e. jean carroll, that he is liable for battery and defamation to the tune of $5 million. andrea bernstein was in the courtroom today, she s a reporter on the propublica democracy team, and jane manning, a former sex crimes prosecutor, and they both join me now. andrea, let me start with you, as someone who is in the courtroom, for much of this trial, saw the closing arguments and the summations. what went through your head when the jury said they had a verdict three hours or four hours after they went to confer? it seemed really fast. on the other hand, there were only two counts for them to consider. so, i think we were prepared for there to be a verdict today, maybe not just at 3:00. ....
yes. and i think that clip credibility certain played some role with the jury. it s one of the things to now people can accuse anyone of anything. it s really not true. e. jean carroll was willing to go into court, under oath, under penalty of perjury, subject to cross-examination, and to go out there and relive this in front of everyone i am just sort of in awe of how she has conducted herself throughout this whole thing, and the incredible fortitude and stamina and bravery that it took to do. i think that was the challenge of this trial, was that the defense was, well, she s a liar, and that she was, per the was a hoax. actual malice. that s right. by a higher standard of evidence, by clear and convincing evidence that even the sexual abuse that s a great point as well. andrea bernstein and jane manning, thank you appreciate it. thank you. and a little bit i will speak to a key witness in that trial that found today the president was natasha stoyno ....
Own story about being abused by the former president back in 2005. she will share her reaction to today s remarkable verdict ahead, plus, tonight, a longtime friend of e. jean carroll lisa birnbach joins lawrence o donnell. . that s tonight at 10 pm on msnbc. one guess, which republican congressman is facing criminal charges. what it means for george santos and what it means for its his party. that s next. s next. psych! really? dude, that s a foul! and now you re ready to settle the score. and if you don t have the right home insurance coverage, well you could end up paying for all this yourself. so get allstate. (cheering) well you could end up paying for all this yourself. imagine you re doing something you love. rsv could cut it short. rsv is a contagious virus that usually causes mild symptoms, but can cause more severe infections ....
The substance, and they just think it is about trying to get this guy, because he is the person who people are the most afraid of. and that makes them want to support him more. right. so just the indictment you are talking about is the alvin bragg indictment here in manhattan for the hush money payments that the dea alleges were unlawful. that s right. do you think that extends to everything? and maybe the answer is yes. but in this case, you have a woman who there is no dea who brought this case. so there is not some big bad democrat who is out to get him. this woman brings this case and then look, they had a civil trial. she swore under oath. they had the witnesses. the jury found that he sexually abused her. those details matter? here s the thing. we asked the group last week about this case. and they did not know anything about it. there was only one person in the focus group who had even heard about it. yes. ....