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with hillary clinton, it was a range of things. there was the e-mail server issue and the constant being around the approval by u.s. officials of a uranium deal. officials with the company had given money to the clinton foundation. there's never been any evidence of impropriety. this has continued to be a thread that her critics have tried to poke. that was one of the areas. again, i think this went dark after he was warned against it. but it is a reminder that when donald trump wants to go ahead with something, he will keep going until there is some kind of cattle prod that shocks him. in this case, it appears to be his own future. >> don mcgahn taking evasive as you put it, that cattle product. >> don mcgahn wrote a memo making clear the parameters and also what could happen if you
>> this was the bring of 2018. he'd been in office a long time and learned about what it meant to be president. do you know what he wanted to prosecute them for? >> i think a range of things. in the case of comey, i believe it would have been about handling of information when he was the fbi director in the case with hillary clinton, it was a range of things. there was the e-mail server issue and the constant being around the approval by u.s. officials of a deal. officials with the company had given money to the clinton foundation. there's never been any evidence of impropriety. this has continued to be a thread that her critics have tried to poke. that was one of the areas. again, i think this went dark after he was warned against it. but it is a reminder that when donald trump wants to go ahead with something, he will keep
so i have no reason, really, to believe that there was any preconceived notion or that they were out to get anybody in that case. i just think that -- >> neil: a lot of your colleagues think that if by raising the e-mail server issue so close to the election congress woman, comey did reveal that and did compromise that. if he was so intent on doing that, he would also be just as zealous to release information on the russian thing if it was available to him and he didn't do that. >> well, we know clearly he handled the two differently. he called a press conference and clearly gave information about the investigation on secretary clinton. >> neil: so do you think he favored donald trump because republicans say quite the opposite. you say what? >> did not make mention of president trump and any russian investigation that may have been borne on that. no, i do not believe the a.g.
bring up hillary clinton again and again chrks is the boogy man for the republican party. >> frank, let me ask about this information we learned this week, which is that the fbi has been looking into the clinton foundation once again. there's attempts to revive investigations of the e-mail server, and as i mentioned earlier, the deal. >> if they are investigating hillary clinton, it doesn't take a genius to see why. it's not because there's some new evidence that's come to light. it's because they are being badgered by. the white house to do it. these cracks that we are seeing in the independence of the justice department ought to concern every american. >> so these are issues that have been investigated in the past. certainly the e-mail server issue. the clinton foundation has been looked to in the past. are you concerned that those in the fbi are being used for political purposes and they are becoming part of a larger
learned from this campaign. and as long as they are blaming external factors, they're not really doing the analysis that's going to help them move forward, because those factors will not be the same. and some of them were very unique to hillary clinton. certainly, the e-mail server issue, they believe the media overcovered it. you had an fbi investigation into a sitting candidate, it was a -- a running candidate. you had a situation with that e-mail server that is entirely self-inflicted by hillary clinton and whether the media magnified that or not to, it was certainly a factor for the entirety of the election and, in fact, even before she ran. so i don't -- it's not just the way that i think about this. some of the sources that my co-author, amie parnes, and i talked to said they felt hillary clinton was not being very reflective about this. elizabeth: right. and here's a woman who's been in the public eye even before arkansas. jonathan, thank you so much. of course, for our viewers, "shattered" is available to them, it's fascinating.
about her attacking her on soft factors. they also really went after her hard on her e-mail server issue, which is a story that was broken by the same "new york times" reporter that broke the trump russia allegations. >> stuart: hold on a second. i have to get everybody else in there. gave you a lot of time there. katelyn collins, what do you say? >> i think this is laughable. jennifer just confirmed what we also knew. most people in media are left leaning and let their personal politics get in the way of their reporting. what is the most laughable, that democrats -- left-leaning journalists are tougher on democrats. this much scrutiny on an administration in a long time. i wish they were this tough on a president for the last eight years. so that's laughable that they're tougher on democrats. >> stuart: shelby, did the media give president obama a pass?
military leader. he was convicted of sharing classified information with his mistress. normally that would be a nonstarter after how republicans went after hillary clinton for her e-mail server issue. >> david petraeus did a great job as head of cia. military record is impeccable. he was one of the top people in his class at west point. i think he has a role in the trump administration if he wants it. what he was charged with ended up being a misdemeanor charge. he paid a high cost for that. i think, in the public sphere. there will be an intense fight if he's chosen as secretary of state, petraeus, i think most people in congress and senate would approve him, he's been a great american public servant who made one big mistake. >> let's move on now, ari. let's talk about mitt romney. you guys brought it up. kiersten brought it up. mitt romney is having a dinner with donald trump. serious infighting on trump's top adviser over him, that's
humiliated by his campaign manager. so i think there's a lot to be desired in this process. >> i want to move on, one more ognjen david petraeus, decorated military leader. he was convicted of sharing classified information with his mistress. normally that would be a nonstarter after how republicans went after hillary clinton for her e-mail server issue. >> david petraeus did a great job as head of cia. he was one of the top people in his class at west point. i think he has a role in the trump administration if he wants it. what he was charged with ended up being a misdemeanor charge. he paid a high cost for that. there will be an intense fight if he's chosen as secretary of state, petraeus, i think most people in congress and senate
>> you need to do a book of these charts. >> okay. >> i would buy them in a second. everywhere we go we'll have copies. >> you should have a chart book. >> amazon discount. >> good beach read for the summer. >> president-elect donald trump had a wide ranging interview with "the new york times" yesterday. the meeting came after hours tweeted that he canceled it because terms and conditions were changed at the last moment. not nice. >> and not true. >> continued to cover me inaccurately with a nasty tone. once inside, the tone was apparently not nasty with trump reportedly saying the "times" is a great, great american jewel. a world jewel. in the meeting, trump confirmed the news that we first broke yesterday morning that he will not look to prosecute hillary clinton for the private e-mail server issue. trump told the "times," i don't want to hurt the clintons. i don't. she went through a lot and suffered greatly in many
don't know the significance of this newly discovered collection of e-mails, i don't want to create a misleading impression. so, to step back here a little bit, brian, here's what happened. the fbi was investigating anthony weiner's potential texting and discovered that the laptop, one of the laptops he used that was also used by huma abedin to send e-mails to hillary clinton. now, that's pretty much the substance of it. so now the fbi says there's this new universe of e-mails that they have to look at, and given that their mission, in essence, in investigating the e-mail server issue was whether any classified information was on that, they had to look at the universe of e-mails sent to it. so, now they had these new e-mails that they're going to have to look at, see if they're classified and whether that makes any difference to the bottom line that the fbi reached and justice department agreed to in july that this is not something that would be prosecutable. so, they don't know what's in these e-mails. that's the point here.