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Look at the polls between age and just general approval ratings, both trump and biden are not doing well. they're under water. >> look, chris, i just -- i would say a couple of things. i laughed as gabe was talking about this electability argument because when i used to advise candidates i would always caution them against being a pundit. you let the pundits be pundits. you be the elected official, if you're already the elected official or the candidate. you talk about your message. you don't engage in punditry. what we hear from ron desantis from this donor call is that he really was engaging...

Take a position opposed to him on legislation that he's going to retaliate against them by taking away tax breaks by punishing them in other ways. you saw disney's reaction, the mouse ate the cheese. $1 billion of it. >> the mouse ate the cheese. smooth. desantis, of course, isn't officially in the race yet, but "the new york times" was able to listen in on a call that desantis had with donors yesterday where he said this, and i quote, biden, trump, and me, and i think of those three. two have a chance to get elected president, biden and me based on all the data in the swing states which is no...

Republican who could jump in and really make an impact in this it shall what appears to be an array of choices that are limited? >> i don't think so. i mean, i like tim scott a lot. i would like to see him in the race. i think it'd be nice to have someone who can offer a more positive, optimistic brand of conservatism. i don't think he can win, but it will be nice to have him in the race. glenn youngkin sent out a video yesterday that looked like a campaign video. i don't know what he is up to. sort of flirting maybe with the idea of running. but i think ron desantis is right about this, that ...

House bid next week. he's sharpening his electability argument against donald trump telling republicans it is time to shed their loyalty to the former president if they hope to win back the white house. >> >> it is going to require a lot of fight and that we do a lot of different things. >> reporter: in a visit to new hampshire, desantis touted his florida record as a blueprint for the nation. we passed that in florida. even as fallout with his escalating fight with disney who plugged the plug on a office development in florida. republican rivals blasted the feud with trump suggesting desantis...

>> marc, i've spent years being told, don't try an electability argument, it doesn't work. >> i'm not sure, chuck, polls are necessary today and there are a lot of republicans that rallied against president biden because of new york. necessary are a lot of republicans that but, you know, if we went by polls today in 2008, rudy giuliani would have been our nominee and scott walker and bernie sanders on the democratic side, and so there are still a lot of headwinds that face the president. >> what i want to remind people, barack obama trailed hillary clinton in every single poll in 2007 calendar...