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Stamps and medicaid instead of paying them a living wage. >> so if you're going to try to get that attached as some sort of tax package. they have to do these three things up front before they even touch that. and those, when you talk about special interests, the special interests don't want them on blow through the debt ceiling. and i don't think they want a government shutdown. >> they want none of those things. but keep in mind, if they've talked about tax reform forever and a day, and in the end they know they can't get tax reform. with all the things going on that we should address. we sh...

>> i think they would be challenge in the court. there were ten lawsuits around the country challenging daca. i think the united states in trying on defend that would lose. >> congressman, that is -- that is a process argument. it was not a process argument from jeff sessions. he said those people, referring to these folks, family members of your constituents, they took americans' jobs. they were brought here at 5 or 7. they're taking from americans. do you agree with that? >> i agree that there are immigration policies and laws here are broken. and they have to be fixed. that's not the ques...

Are in other places around the country. this is son of a house keeper and farm worker. came to the u.s. at the age of 8 and was undocumented. congressman, as someone who is not personally a d.r.e.a.m.er in the sense of a daca recipient but whose experience is very much ha lined with theirs, what was your reaction when you first heard this was snapping. >> thank you for having me. very disheartening. to see that the president a few days after saying that he loves these people, that he will take away their dreams by taking away this daca status. i know what it is like to live in fearful i was a ...

For them. it also laid bare a real divide in the white house, where steve bannon, steven miller, the architects of his immigration policies and the travel ban, really wanted to push forward with eliminating the program. others, more moderate voices in the white house, jared kushner, gary cohen, suggested keeping it in place. worried the impact it would have on business. but some of those moderates have seen their voice, their influence really weakened in light of charlottesville. he criticized the pot's response to that racial clash. he's seen some of his juice disappear in the white house. an...

That yielded terrible humanitarian consequences. it also denialed jobs to hundreds of thousands of americans by allowing those same illegal aliens to take thoses jobs. >> after a handsful of conservative state attorney generals threatened to sue over daca, he said the justice department wouldn't defend program. forcing the president's hand. according to the "new york times," as late as one hour before the decision was to be announced, administration officials privately expressed concern that trump might not fully grasp the details of the steps he was about to take. when discovered, the full im...