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Time -- entertainment sometimes. >> i'm with you. >> i'll be excited when the debates happen with no audience. people have to sing for their supper and speak in sound bites. >> there's so many of them. >> and they want to get a viral moment. >> and also the person they're competing against ultimately is president trump and this has become a bit of an -- there's an entertainment factor that's been interjected into it that has worked for him. they're looking at that. >> they're competing against president trump but they're also competing against president barack obama. people still have a lot of...

I mean, they are, in essence, a show. they're an entertainment factor. >> they're pep rallies. >> but i think a little bitrall. he is a great entertainer. on that stage, it is all about him and the show that he puts on. it is a powerful tool he employs. the former vice president, joe biden, he and a handful of the other candidates, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren to some extent, they're talking about things that steve was just talking about with the charts. they are talking about the fact that a huge percentage of people in this country are living on a paycheck to paycheck economy. week to we...

Bernie sanders, again, sanders occupying what say known lane for him, which is younger more progressive voters. and now he's going to have a lot more competition and that's based biden still stands apart with all of his strengths and weaknesses that make him an old democrat. but he's kind of being alone in that lane as being the older established democrat right now who's run before and has all this experience. you know, on day one even before day one he takes all that oxygen out of the room and that's going to be a lot of information for the rest of the field. >> seoung min, on the republican ...

Showing up to see mike pence, they're showing up to see donald trump. because there's an entertainment factor he brings. that's been helpful for him to win the election. we don't want to erode that. >> i just said similar things. that's a partisan perspective, and you should have one. i'll give you half of that. it is what makes him entertaining, i think that's a judgment for his supporters to make, this is what i'm saying, the president shouldn't be blamed for the bombs. he has to include himself in the responsibility for the negativity that creates an environment, an atmosphere that lends it...

Is responsible for the conduct. i think that's where you -- when you criticize the things he says and the way he says them, at times you have to understand there's an authenticity to president trump that the american people crave and desire. and he is a show man, there are times when he should not be taken quite so literally. that's why he gets tens of thousands of people to show up to his rallies, tens of thousands of people are not showing up to see mike pence, they're showing up to see donald trump. because there's an entertainment factor he brings. that's been helpful for him to win the el...