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assassinate members of congress. and again, mark esper, his former defense secretary said he wanted to shoot people, and esper wouldn't do it. >> it's thug behavior. >> it's thuggery. >> and here, here is what i want to say, in a political context of it all. go back to 2004, and when i was doing polling for the dnc, one of the things that was a bedrock of republican party, and something that helped them win the suburbs, especially moderate middle america, was the idea that they were the party of strong values. they were a party of strong morals and values, and even if democrats had -- and issues of health care, the central value that middle america claimed to was this ideal that they were strong values, and george bush was a good man, a strong man, a man of values. he goes to church, right, he loves his wife, those things. i find it hard to believe, and it's not the one thing, julia.

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