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Spend every day trying. you should never give up no matter how many people tell you it can't be done. >> so what if you basically bankrupt homeland security while you're at it and our economic security. no big deal. kasich is speaking increasingly to the republican base and the independents. he's saying look, i don't have the baggage that jeb bush has. one of my favorite lines is, he's vito carlioni. i'm not that. i know how to negotiate with the opposite party to move steps forward. he's going after every single candidate saying i am, yes, an establishment candidate, but at the same time, i k...

Other candidates including ben carson. ben carson voters said no, i would not consider voting for donald trump. there is a difference in the different type of voters, even though they were both going for outsider 0s and they wanted an outside candidate, they didn't want an establishment candidate. the carson voters are -- and particularly in a place like iowa, this is why i think it should have been predictable in iowa, is there's this thing out there in the hawkeye state called iowa nice, which is that's ben carson. he's iowa nice. donald trump isn't. and i think there was a natural ceiling o...

>> yes. absolutely. and this goes back months and months and months. i spent some time out in iowa specifically talking to iowa voters. and every donald trump voter i met said i might consider some other candidates including ben carson. ben carson voters said no, i would not consider voting for donald trump. there is a difference in the type of voters, even though they were both going for outsiders and they wanted an outside candidate, they didn't want an establishment candidate, the carson voters are -- and particularly in a place like iowa, this is why i think it should have been predictable...

Trump you can tell is not someone who spends time thinking about religion until this campaign. i think it is a mistake to go after trump. he is not going to win the campaign. >> it's not the affiliation but the devoutness, the fidelity, whether you are a man of faith. sabrina, is that your thinking it helps to be something in iowa? >> absolutely. what it helps to be is socially conservative. ben carson has proven whether it's abortion or same-sex marriage that he is a devout social conservative. i think when it comes to donald trump, he likes to put on this show. he is not worried about his op...

South carolina. at this point you can't pick an establishment candidate who will be in the game coming out of new hampshire. there's no one with enough strength. if cruz or trump coming out of new hampshire looks strong it coraly to ben carson as strange as that may sound, somebody will have to -- the establishment wants to stop trump or cruz and carson may look like the safest bet. >> the calculus is simple. donald trump has this decision to make. one two decisions to make. go all in in iowa and try to win there because donald trump knows as we know if donald trump wins iowa we'll win the rep...