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Was. >> half? >> a couple of months ago he at one time was a frontrunner. he doesn't get great scores on the debate. obviously he is considered an establishment candidate. >> right. right. >> hillary clinton declining still, right? >> yes. she is at her lowest number we have seen. she is down to 44% in our new poll. she was at 61% just a couple months ago back in june. >> is there a why behind that? >> well, we are looking at the rise of vice president joe biden. >> yeah. >> he got double the number that he got in our previous poll. even though he hasn't announced. if you take him out of the m...

Establishment figure? is that over with? can they run somebody like that that they used to run but have said they're not going to run somebody like that? >> i think they'll end up there. >> it's so hard. john kasich is very much running an establishment campaign, even though he's saying he's not. in new hampshire, he has the same establishment backers that mitt romney had, and he's running on the fact that he is a governor and that he was in the house of representatives for 18 years. he's an establishment candidate. >> chris christie has a different tone to his establishment. >> i like kasich....

Is there any way the republican party can come back and pick somebody to run against hillary clinton or sanders, probably hillary clinton has an establishment figure? is that over with? can they run somebody like that that they used to run but have said they're not going to run somebody like that? >> i think they'll end up there. >> it's so hard. john kasich is very much running an establishment campaign, even though he's saying he's not. in new hampshire, he has the same establishment backers that mitt romney had, and he's running on the fact that he is a governor and that he was in the house...

Should stumble tomorrow night, it's not necessarily to jeb's advantage. it's probably to ben carson's advantage. it's probably to carly fiorina's advantage because there are several debates playing out on that stage tomorrow night. not just one debate. and in the end, i believe there will be an establishment candidate. and it might be jeb, or it might be kasich or it might be chris christie, and there will be one of the mavericks. a ben carson, a carly, or a donald trump. and that's the way this thing s is. >> jeffrey? >> i actually used to share michael's opinion it was going to be one of eac...

Senate nominations or house nominations or governor nominations will during a run-up to all this, say, well, you know, we all want to unite and support the party's candidate, thinking they're going to be the candidate. then they lose and the first thing they do is refuse to support their opponent. this is fairly typical. i can only say is all this does is add fuel to the notion that this is exactly why so many grassroots republicans don't want an establishment candidate. was they can't trust their word. >> it would seem that could bode well, especially for the nonprofessional politicians, the ...