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Trump is going to win iowa. i don't think he'll win new hampshire or south carolina. >> he has said that if the race narrows to two people and one person is more aligned with his point of view than the other, in that type of circumstance he might step in and endorse. >> the bottom line, you're getting a sense -- -- the romneys are not a big fan of the prospect of donald trump becoming the party's nominee. inthey've head it clear he is nt their guy. >> i think that's pretty obvious. >> so, what would they do behind the scenes to torpedoed that? >> i'm not sure. the idea of waiting until there's...

About the soda ban. he's been all across the country on gun safety as well. there are clear things that are -- >> even with that, where will do moderate republican voters go in a race where the oxygen is taken up by carly fiorina, ben carson and donald trump? >> sure. i think those are the outsiders, quote, ub quote, and we're still scratching that itch, at least on the republican side. i happen to believe once things calm down and republican voters take a good, hard look at who's left, they're going to choose a candidate that fits the bill, that can accept to believe moderates and i think the...

Their hat in the ring here. this is the congressional version of what is going on in the presidential campaign. you've got the insiders represented by mr. mccarthy. if you exchanged boehner for mccarthy, i think a lot of people are not going to see any difference so this is a big deal. i would also add this goes back to the reagan/ford divisions of years past. >> what would this mean, ben, if we transfer to this the gop nomination fight and now that boehner is out does this relay a message to more establishment candidates for the nomination, bush or christie? >> it absolutely does. the main re...

>> it's about half where he was. >> half? >> a couple of months ago he at one time was a frontrunner. he doesn't get great scores on the debate. obviously he is considered an establishment candidate. >> right. right. >> hillary clinton declining still, right? >> yes. she is at her lowest number we have seen. she is down to 44% in our new poll. she was at 61% just a couple months ago back in june. >> is there a why behind that? >> well, we are looking at the rise of vice president joe biden. >> yeah. >> he got double the number that he got in our previous poll. even though he hasn't announced. ...

>> it's about half where he was. >> half? >> a couple of months ago he at one time was a frontrunner. he doesn't get great scores on the debate. obviously he is considered an establishment candidate. >> right. right. >> hillary clinton declining still, right? >> yes. she is at her lowest number we have seen. she is down to 44% in our new poll. she was at 61% just a couple months ago back in june. >> is there a why behind that? >> well, we are looking at the rise of vice president joe biden. >> yeah. >> he got double the number that he got in our previous poll. even though he hasn't announced. ...