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win the battle and lose the war. you know? there is a -- if you discredit or politicize the justice department in the eyes of 60 million americans, you haven't gained that much even if you've got these classified documents. so that is the balance that i think and i'm sure they're thinking about, which is very difficult. because with anybody else you would just say, look. you broke the law or you seem to have broken the law. we have to get these documents back. >> what strikes me when you say that is the idea of obviously it is a bit of a damned if you do damned if you don't philosoph...

Bit of a defining litmus test for the gop. will now the future be how you speak about this search? is that the latest and maybe the next? >> oh, yes. exactly right. great point. that will probably be the new litmus test. i agree with everything ron said. trump has consolidated the party once again. and this may only ratchet that up as well. but the point is, ron knows better than anybody, that midterm elections, the most important thing is enthusiasm among the parties. and i will just say that i don't see anything that happened this week that is going to increase republican enthusiasm and i se...

Such an unusual president republicans are embracing an unconventional midterm environment and that creates -- it leaves a big opportunity for democrats because republicans are aligning themselves with many behaviors that many americans find uncomfortable but they'll have to fight for it. >> interesting, guys. thanks so much. tomorrow, the house minority leader nancy pelosi is got a key interest in everything ron was just saying. she will answer your questions live in a cnn town hall hosted by chris cuomo tomorrow night 9:00 eastern only here on cnn. flowing lava, toxic gas, no end in site....

Climbing. so that sends a message out there that this president is serious about uniting the country, all makes and don't matter where you're from, what you look like, what you got. he kept saying one blood, one nation under god. it was awesome today. >> your enthusiasm is contagious. >> thanks for having me, ali. >> bruce levell, the national diversity coalition for donald trump. and with me now is the former chief of staff to vice president joe biden and vice president al gore. ron, you have stood in a few times as donald trump while helping secretary clinton prepare. you -- that means that ...

Activism, millions for the women's march, people flooding town hall. we don't have one voice, we have many voices. that's where the strength is. we're seeing so much grass roots activism. it's not really who in the country should listen to our elected, it's our electeds should listen to people on the streets and laying out the kind of things we should be for as a party and as a movement. >> ron, good to talk to you. thank you for being with us, a political veteran. too much time would be taken to explain everything ron has done but let just call him a political veteran. we were just looking at...