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Television. but he could have programmed this the way he wanted to in the house of representatives but chose against it. and i don't know why he thinks the senate which is a more buttoned up and a more traditional and slow-paced and formal institution why he thinks that's a better stage for him. it's not entirely clear to me. >> you know, phil rucker, i want to give you the last word. and i want to just ask you if you think there is any chance in hell that if any of the witnesses the democrats want to come, had anything exculpatory to say that donald trump wouldn't, you know, cross off all of ...

This is not a court of law. you know, i don't blame white house counsel cipollone for not saying that there were any privileges involved because we know what the answer's gonna be. and, that is, we're going to blow any claim of privilege away. we're going to blow any type of executive immunity away. we are going to simply say we want it and you got to give it to us no matter whether it's private information or doing some legitimate oversight. now, we know that the rejection of the argument that we shouldn't have to go to court for that is bogus. because the house of representatives has gone to...

>> that's the reason -- >> there should be executive immunity and privilege. i don't think that's why he's doing it. they went to court to argue absolute immunity. they got kicked out of court on it. it will be a case-by-case basis. this was done because he doesn't want the exposure. if this were me or you, matt, and we had guys at the top of the food chain that would clear us and prove we did nothing wrong, we would do it. let's leave it there. you are always welcome, at 9:00, at 11:00, wherever. >> thanks, sean. >> did you just call me sean? that's high praise. >> he has a few more million v...

Events is to believe ambassador sondland perjuried himself before the congress multiple times. >> or misremembered and embellished to help his buddy. >> the only record evidence is the sondland testimony saying fo quid pro quo. the president wants nothing. with that being the only evidence. >> he didn't relay it that way to the two men in testimony. >> the state department -- you make a relevant point the state department has the records why is the administration not complying with subpoenas and providing records. if you waive some of the privileges and some circumstances, you would limit your...

Violation is huge. while the president does enjoy protections under executive privilege, executive immunity, i think judge jackson slapped that down this past week saying it's not an absolute immunity under article ii as the president suggests he has as president. >> what do you say to critics who would argue your articles are too broad including speaker pelosi and adam schiff who want to keep it narrow? >> i'm not sure they do want to keep it narrow. if you just focus on the ukraine issue of obstruction of justice or inviting a foreign power to get involved in our elections, i think that argu...