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Again, i am not going to rat my republican colleagues off. this is an opportunity for them to get serious. i understand they saw themselves as the president's public defenders in these closed depositions. now the lights are on, the american people are watching and they want to know for the sake of our children is this acceptable in our country? >> i mean, it is a question they have to answer because if the next president is a democrat and they pick up the phone and ask the french to dig up dirt on an opponent, i mean, they are laying down markers. i want to ask you about something in the weeds...

Weekend, i believe, in an answer to a question from kelly o'donnell of nbc suggesting that he knew there was some negative information that's going to be coming out soon about lieutenant colonel vindman. so i think as the hearings become more public, there is a real desire by the president himself and his allies to discredit these witnesses and make them appear to be partisan actors. >> unbelievable. phil rucker, thank you so much for spending some time with us. after the break, the white house gives stonewalling another shot with four no-shows on capitol hill today and a hail mary pass that a...

Democrats do not want republicans and the white house to have a chance to move -- you know, to gather their notes and compare notes, plan testimony of these witnesses. democrats know there's some strategic value in inviting people or subpoenaing them and then having them show up rather quickly before the administration can either move to block their testimony or try to coordinate wit other witnesses. >> great point. and hans, i'm going to repeat something that house intelligence chairman adam schiff said because i know it's noisy where you are. he said if the witness, talking about kupperman, ...

So they're sitting in a court just one level below the supreme court, 10:00 a.m. eastern time streaming live on c-span and nbcnews.com. this is an appeal of this federal court ruling calling the president's claim to executive immunity from crimes he committed while in office or before, calling that, quote, repugnant to the nation's governmental structure. i wonder how the appeal's going to go. if you are able to check it out, i will say the thing to listen for is not only whether the subject of this case is going to get resolved, whether the president's financial records and his tax returns ar...

The president but relatives and persons and business entities associated with him in potentially unlawful private activities are in fact above the law. this court finds aspects of such a doctrine repugnant to the nation's governmental structure and constitutional values." repugnant. so that was the somewhat clarion ruling of the federal district court that is getting reviewed on appeal tomorrow. it's going to be an hour-long argument before a panel of three federal judges. this is a federal appeals court, so they're sitting in a court just one level below the supreme court, 10:00 a.m. eastern ...