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Executive privilege. >> there is no absolute immunity. you're supposed to answer to a subpoena. >> that decision is going to be thrown out. >> really? >> that's a piece of political theater. it's going to be thrown out. >> wait, fred, that with all due respect right before thanksgiving, that opinion is completely consistent with every piece of jurisprudence on the subject. it is true this president and presidents past have tried to flex on executive immunity, but the law has always made it clear that congress is not a maybe, it's a must when it comes to oversighta president can't wave his hand...

To go under oath. >> final question, don mcgahn has been ordered by a federal district judge that he doesn't have absolute immunity, he does have to testify. do you think that's going to happen? >> well, it's got to happen. judge jackson wrote a really comprehensive and decisive opinion saying that they have got to cut out all the nonsense about absolute immunity and categorical executive immunity and all of these totally cooked up, phony doctrines. everybody owes the sovereign of the united states, the people of the united states through their representatives in congress honest and truthful t...

Executive immunity and all these fonny doctrines. everybody owe os the sovereign of the united states, the people of the united states through their representatives in congress honest and truthful testimony. and unless you have a real fifth amendment, then forget it. the administration should stop invoking it and should send people to give us their testimony. >> thank you so much. joining me now are two reporters that have been closly following the impeachment of the president. political reporter for cnbc.com. she wrote the story about devin nunes' aborted trip. again, i'm a lay person and g...

And they talk about it briefly and zelensky said i didn't feel pressure by it -- >> but you're changing the subject. do you think it is okay -- no. >> i don't think -- no. i prefer the president wouldn't have said those things about the bidens. i think crowdstrike, retrospective corruption i think it completely fine and within his purview. so i think you could have talked about past corruption with biden and hunter biden, the past thing there. i don't think prosectively it is a good thing. >> could i make a quick point about constitutional law. i want to clarify this and make sure the public g...

In the testimony of one of the witnesses, a strong antenna and aversion to what he described as a drug deal. he also warned yesterday in his close-door speech that there is a real danger that donald trump could do something like pull out of nato. do you think there are people on the inside with even more damaging revelations than what we've already heard? >> i think it stands to reason. it's -- it was a contribution f contradiction for the republicans to complain today about the level of the witnesses. mike pompeo wasn't there. john bolton wasn't there. the vice president of the united states ...