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Whether an element of social transformation is built into the interventions that will address the governance issues. You, thank you for your attention and im looking forward to comments and questions. Thank you, dr. Lee. Before i ask my first question as the moderator, i just want to encourage the panelists if they have comments on each others remarks, i would welcome any ne followup on those. I encourage a discussion here also between the panelists and also as the same way we engage with the audience. Esting one thing you said which i think was very interesting is that two things actually. On...

We can work on governance programs. We can work on poverty. We can work on education. But if violence will remain a legitimate tool at least this is how its perceived by the majority of people in the region, then whatever progress we can aim at will, as i said, be shortlived. We are trying to include this element in our interventions. We intervened, for example, in 2012 in a region between the christians and at that time what we told them in the first place is that there is a better way to address the issue of coincidin religious dates than dealing or adopting violence to solve it. And not onl...

Legitimate tool, at least this how its perceived by the majority of people in the region, then whatever progress can aim at, as i said, will be short lived. At usip, we are trying to include this element in our interventions. Example, ind, for 2012, in a region between the shabac andand the basically at that time what we told them in the first place is better way to address the issue of coinciding dates than dealing or it. Ting violence to solve thatot only we told them violence is not going to help them and to address this issue but we also helped them to find to celebrateound both christmas ...

But i know and im sure you do of poor and excluded young people who didnt become its not there povertyusality between and radicalization or terrorism but there are underlying conditions that makes it in some cases for people to become radicalized or extremists. And this underlying condition in region can be summarized by the praise of violence. At the social level in the people praise violence as a virtue. Its not considered as a bad thing. Its considered as a good thing. Not only in politics, its also considered as a good thing in life. Personal the same communities that are othering from isi...

Irrigated lawns, and we had a deer herd living in downtown boulder. When the lions moved in, they were in the open space, then they discovered there was deer in town. In the lions discovered they could eat dogs and cats. That is food for them. So the lions were learning, and they have learned, that this is where they will find food. Yes, there is food up there, too, there is lots to eat in town. This is a retreat, beautifuly an a place for enrichment, enlightenment, and coming together. The people who were intended to be the audience were really what we would call the middle class. The program...