Every living american who can read nose is demonstrably, provably untrue, what does that prove? what's the strategy here exactly do you think? >> well, it's hard to figure their strategy, but what their strategy has done is that it has created a massive mistrust in our public health agencies, the politicization and mistrust of science has been extraordinarily harmful. the whole expert class has failed here, and that includes the leadership class in the universities and in government and of course, as you know, in the media. and so now the burden is shifted to individuals to be thinking adults,...