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Holding the whip hand, but i think he is in a bit ofa holding the whip hand, but i think he is in a bit of a corner because he is in a bit of a corner because he now has to calculate on a strong western reaction as well as all the risks of invasion, and see whether he can get out of this with some sort of face saver and i think the task for western diplomacy is to give him that face saver in a way that still protects the sovereignty of ukraine. ., ., , ., ., ., of ukraine. you were a diplomat for 40 ears. of ukraine. you were a diplomat for 40 years how _ of ukraine. you were a diplomat for 40...

Peace talks between the taliban and afghan government? first of all, there are _ and afghan government? first of all, there are no _ and afghan government? first of all, there are no peace _ and afghan government? first of all, there are no peace talks. - all, there are no peace talks. there is an illusion of peace talks. the taliban have been consistently saying, if you just read the taliban media gusts and there is a taliban media— they say the americans have lost, we have given them a face saver, in return for which we hope they will give us something, by means of economic or other assist...

That he was going to stop rubbing their faces in it and all that, then nothing happened, so it really sort of played with their heads. i think finally what's going to happen, whether it hams immediately or whether it happens in mid-october, there's going to be the search for some sort of face saver, some sort of way to stop playing cognitive dissonan dissonance, stop being the nasty guy and give them something they can claim as a victory, the republicans. >> this face saving in hard line negotiations is normally what we talk about doing international relations, what you have to do whenl you're...

Has much better luck negotiating with congress more so than president obama? >> well, first, the president and biden were working together on this. biden was there obviously as the president's agent and it has probably to do with experience. joe biden i know it's fasable n in -- fashionable -- joe's been at it a long time. experience can be useful. that's what he was able to call on. also, frankly, i don't think there was that much substantive difference. i think it's face saving on the republican side. mitch mcconnell famously said his number one objective was to defeat the president's reelec...

Here's the question right now, governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is think about the issue of leverage -- by the way, no one is thinking about what's right for the country. let's think about the issue of political leverage. >> oh, you and i are. >> that's right. and alex, too. >> what about me? >> and alex. >> i said you too, a...