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And, on the heels of learning that the administration has virtually doubled the size of the irs. people are concerned about them being targeted as well. look, i hope this is done for all of the right reasons. if they needed to find valuable records and information that they doubted. but, the important thing right now is answering a lot of the unanswered questions. not just from the doj and the fbi. i believe it is also important to hear from the biden administration, who knew what about this raid? when? who signed off on it? >> they did say that, the white house said they found out when everyo...

Because we have seen what they're doing to cassidy hutchinson, we have seen donald trump and his cohort attempt to do this before most famously with michael cohen. privately, we saw those messages, privately they applied the pressure, trump is watching, he reads transcripts, and then if you cross him, they blast you. another element that has come out, they pay your fees. so there is a financial aspect. and then, of course, the misrepresentations about her. >> let me ask you about that. hutchinson, for instance, had a lawyer, paid by trump world before she switched lawyers. would paying a lawye...

Which he was operating independently and not at the direction of trump. and i think filling in those blanks, flushing out the fact pattern and really figuring out how this operated is going to be a core thing. for someone outside of the january 6 committee to take on. it's a justice department issue. >> exactly. here's the thing. there's a lot more at stake here, first of all the young woman security. she has to deal with her own security issues. a young person. you have people like pat cipollone who makes decisions about going under oath. he indicated he's willing to speak behind closed doors...

>> harry, a lot of people are saying this is mop stuff. this is also something that most americans can clearly understand. >> and you know who else can? the department of justice. they hate this tough. for some reason prosecutors, this drives them insane and they're really sellous about it. and michael reported this person, it is the fact pattern is plainly stronger than many different case that's accomplished obstruction. stronger than, for example, what bill clinton was impeached for. this is really volatile. they will be all over this and they suggested it is not the

The january 6th hearing is appealing to both. it's pushing people to feel u.s. democracy is under assault. many insiders, political pros, people who populate your tv screen all day had a gnawing feeling the presentation on thursday would not sway public opinion. the fact pattern should convince steptics to care more about the attack on the capitol and all of trump world's dishonorable conduct in the winter of 2020. but this is where the facts come into conflict with feelings. i'm with jim sciutto on this one. the cnn anchor was sick of all the chatter whether any minds will be changed on thurs...