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Another republican who ran the c cbo after you wrote, the cbo is indispensable, but it doesn't always get it right because it's forced by law to provide assumptions. fantasy in, fantasy out. is he right? >> well, we all know that certain pieces of legislation can't continue unchanged. for example, social security and medicare are going to run out of money in a decade or two. and cbo has to assume that the payments are going to continue. so there are sort of requirements that adhere to rules that the congress has set for it. not, it is made up by itself. so, you know, there is an element of tru...

They deliver to the white house and congress the information they need. the budget committee is going to vote out the cbo score on how much the legislation will cost and business will go on. >> do you think that the white house has an argument here? in 2010 you said about running this organization, "it doesn't always get it right the first time." you wrote an opinion piece in "the new york times" and said "it's required to not secretary guess the plausibility of what it is handed, so fantasy in, fantasy out." does the white house have a point here? >> it will depend on how they score the legis...

Job destroyer, this healthcare reform teal. and on top of that the idea that it reduces the deficit, i saw where a former cbo director says don't be mad at cbo because they have to score it like congress gives them and he says fantasy in, fantasy out. you have to believe in cinderella if you think this is going to reduce the deficit. in fact, it's a 2 trillion or more dollars -- >> neil: what are you challenging when you hop on with florida, the requirement that everyone pay for healthcare? >> that's right. the constitution limits the federal government and our government does not have, throug...

York times" sunday, and let's read a little of what you wrote and ask but it, douglas. how can the budget office give a green light to a bill that commits the federal government to spending nearly $1 trillion more over the next ten years? the answer, unfortunately, is that the budget office is required to take written legislation at face value and not second-guess the plausibility of what it is handed. so fantasy in, fantasy out. so some might say, hey, this is just sour grapes, republicans like, you know, love the cbo, when the numbers go their way. and the argument goes and hey, they didn't ...

Roll over and take it? because yes, it's passed, but they feel so strongly about it. and it affects so much of our economy. that is why i think they're saying it's not over. there's more we can do and we're going to fight to the death. >> it's not about rolling over, nobody is saying anybody should roll over but want to argue, argue on points, what do they object to, what's the alternative plan. megyn: you know the answer to that already. >> they ran in congress -- ran the congress for how many years and there was no talk of health care rep, they brought nothing to the table and contrary to wh...