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Ana Cabrera Reports

that's going to be a very dangerous footing for the trump campaign. polling shows americans like democracy, they don't like dictatorship, and that's what trust represents. >> fernand and tim, thank you very much. tune in at 2:00 eastern when katy tur hosts special coverage one week out from the iowa caucuses. while most of the candidates will be laser focused on the campaign trail, former president trump tomorrow plans to appear in person before the d.c. appeals court, hearing arguments on his presidential i'm community claims. trump also plans to attend the closing arguments in the trump org civil fraud trial. that's thursday in new york. his team is already preparing for the supreme court arguments next month over whether colorado can kick him off the state's ballot. for more on all of this, i want to bring in former federal prosecutors kristy greenberg. let's take a listen to donald trump at a rally in iowa this

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Ana Cabrera Reports

state of the country for a lot of reasons, but fernand i'm curious to kind pick up on that what you see with the people you're talking to, and when governor kasich talks about people kind of hardening, right, that this hatred sort of festering and growing, is that your sense when you do these polls? is that what's motivating people? are people driven just by those emotions and sort of this us against them mentality? or is that simplifying it too much? >> i mean, with all due respect, ana, to governor kasich, that's not what i'm seeing in the polls. what i'm seeing in the polls is there's a hardening feeling about donald trump. he's now one of the most unpopular politicians to run for president in the history of the united states. i think what americans want is a return to normalcy and a return to sanity. the path donald trump does not represent. these charges that are being brought against him are not a political -- a lot of it was

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The Katie Phang Show

irrational here, not going to this debate, because when i was a primary candidate, and i had a 30, 40, 50 point lead against my opponent, i didn't go to the debate. i don't want to give them the opportunity to get the attention and let them take some shots at me. so, i think trump is doing the smart thing here. >> fernand, what if he does and about the debate? there is some chatter in trump world that he actually might show up to the debate. because it always have to be about him. everyone is expecting him to sit down with tucker carlson and hang out with him, but you know, what tucker carlson numbers are not been that great since he left fox news. so, what happens is down from throwing on that stage? >> trump's erratic and i'm disciplined enough to do the stupid thing. we've seen him do it over and over again over the last eight years. but look. i think his advisers are going to have to change to the ball or something like that. there is absolutely no benefit. we've actually talked about it on this program before. katie, for trump, the best thing to do is not go. because even by not going, the debate is all about him. everyone is going to talk about

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The Katie Phang Show

he is drawing a lot of attention to himself, and a lot of people find him to be likable and compelling. i have some friends who are more libertarian leaning, and they actually like ramaswamy. so, he's the type of candidate you really have to keep your eye on, but again, even with him, i'm not sure if he's running for president or vice president, because he has been one of donald trump's biggest defenders out on that campaign trail. so, at some point, ramaswamy, you would think if he is growing in the polls, he's going to try to take trump on so we can actually have a shot at winning this thing. >> so, fernand, we are always honest on the show. some criticism -- >> to. honest to. honest >> listen, some criticism i get and others county v is you can't have too much oxygen to donald trump. why do you talk about him so much? my answer is because he is -- >> -- a >> threat to democracy. you see what he is capable of doing. do you think there is any credence to this idea that perhaps we should actually take the oxygen out of the room and not talk about him as much as we talk about? because clearly, he dominates a

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

isn't's campaign, because we shorted, and campaign spokesperson told nbc news but americans are rallying behind rhonda scent is. but are they really? a recent survey of florida republicans show desantis trailing donald trump by 20 points, not to, not two, 20. for his part, president biden is staying above the fray or, remaining laser focused on the first term of results, he has scored for the american people. he is campaigning hard on his economic record, and it's gonna take five not, his message, this week to philadelphia, highlighting easing inflation and record job growth. with us now, fernando money, host of the strangest podcast, and former florida congressman david jolly, both our embassy b.c. political analysts. and florida man, which i keep trying to add to your banners, but nobody wants to do, it but fernand, listen, i understand that campaigns are complicated, and that sometimes you look at something like a campaign leading cash and it looks worse than it is. at the same time the desantis campaign clearly made a

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an event decisions about who to prosecute. and to not to prosecute. which of course is at the center of the controversies here. on the one hand the decision to prosecute donald trump. and the decision to not prosecute or to minimally prosecute hunter biden, the current presidents. you, know let's move to this part of the conversation, fernand. i have been saying some republicans for certain purpose, and that is that according to politico saying the republican caucus, you know, they have got splits. i know it is a surprise to you on this very approach and other issues. including on cutting spending to achieve these objectives, right? speedos, we will not funded. so some republican lawmakers warning other republican lawmakers to think twice about how they are gonna use this tactic of spending bills to target specific. agencies >> it has been done before, and i guess the question might be how far right

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

are going to see that it reflected a fundamental speech thing from a world in 1978, 2003. to now, this particular case. fundamental change in the law and that is going to be the way that we understand this court from now on. >> fernand, the desantis campaign is now going after trump in a bizarre ad attacking trump on his support for some lgbtq rights, here's how transportation secretary pete buttigieg responded today on cnn. >> i'm going to leave aside the strangeness of trying to prove your manhood by putting up a video that spices images of you in between oiled up shirtless bodybuilders and just get to the bigger issue that is on my issue whatever i see the stuff in the policy space which is, again who are you trying to help, who are trying to make better off and what public policy problems do you get up in the morning, thinking about

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

of equal opportunity that they have been able to have in the last 30 to 40 years. >> fernand, over the next 16 months, before the presidential election and of course congressional elections in november of 24, how do you think democrats should tell the story of how this court and house republicans are working to undermine the progress that we have built up as a nation? >> mister secretary, i think that is exactly how you say, just like that. first, a little context. democrats have won seven out of the last eight popular votes in the presidential election. they have won three out of less for presidential elections. these decisions by this court are completely at odds with the sentiment of the electorate is. when you throw into that public opinion and the current state of public opinion on many of these issues, that the court's ruling on, again the court is completely out of the mainstream. i think it is incumbent on democrats to make the point that elections do have consequences and be willing to put on the table that's the same way that donald trump did this past week. when he said that he may have to a 0.9 or eight judges if he

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

they can rally around the flag in a sense. but the same time i want to add to that that georgia is one of those states where there is a defined block of a swing voters that have showed up in 2018, 2020, 2022. not a huge block, but enough to make a difference, enough to swing the state blue in 2020. enough to deprive herschel walker of u.s. and see just last year so, a big number we talk, about two to 3%, but enough to swing the election. that is the electoral block i will be watching. >> indeed, we will see if they continue to be their own worst enemy. fernand, greg, and guy thank you all. unique, i know you're sticking around with. us next, we have heard trump's perfect call to georgia and now mike pence is addressing the reported pressure campaign to overturn the 2020 election in arizona. plus, heat in my home state of texas, putting the spotlight on a dangerous policy of governor greg abbott. texas representative greg gosar and jasmine crockett weigh in on the so-called best star bill. but first, to richard louis with the other big stories we are tracking on msnbc. which are?

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The Katie Phang Show

The Katie Phang Show
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