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div class= gutr > mercedes making payments on that mercedes, the defense wolf for its part, has been arguing all along that there was no wrongdoing, that there were no bribes in some ways, the senator and his wife lived separate lives and also that any money that nadine menendez may have received was alone. now we re gonna be hearing more of this he witnessed jose uribe when he continues to take the stand on monday. well so how long do you think jason this trial is going to continue? sorry about that well-fed to new york busy street bus going by, repeat that. how long do we expect the trial to continue sure. well, the trial is already been going on for about four weeks and we re expecting this trial to last for several more weeks before it s concluded. so may sometime by the end of the month or the beginning of the next month, when nay deans trial is also expected to get underway. jason carroll in new york for us, jason, thank you very much. i m wolf blitzer in this situation room. thanks. very very much for watching the news continues next on sienna he s d-day trip to france with his host and emmanuel macron just ahead, we ll find out what s likely to be on the agenda and the two leaders meet in paris later today. harrowing accounts from ukrainian pows and those forcibly deported to russia will speak with an officer of a global advocacy campaign determined to help tell this stories dozens killed following the sudanese of militia attack when a village south of the capital civil war rages and the sudanese army is valid retribution the u.s. and french presidents to sit to showcase the long-standing relationship between the countries in the hours ahead, emmanuel macron will play host to joe biden with a parade precession in paris and a state dinner it s coming on the heels of the 80th anniversary of d-day. and a day after mr. biden met with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in paris where he apologized for months of delay delivering us military aid when mr. biden also went to point the hook, the site of a brutal battles during the d-day invasion japan in world war ii. he used it as a backdrop to send a message about threats to democracy, saying that s what us soldiers died four in normandy we re not asking us to give or risk our lives but they re asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they re not asking us to do their job. they re asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time to defend democracy for more on this, cnn international diplomatic editor nick robinson joins us now live from london. nick tell us the reaction to biden s speech and also his apology to president zelenskyy about the delay of us funds and weapons this is a speech that really was designed to resonate with a us audience. in particular, appealing to the young and they re sort of need to recognize the threats that exist to the democracy that the world war ii vets 44 and therefore, they will probably need to step up to that challenge during their lifetime. there was that there was really a message there that isolationism doesn t work. that was perhaps a domestic message to republicans and donald trump who perhaps will seek to cut ties with nato partners, which is something that has a lot of concern in europe. but this was a message really that was intended for a domestic audience. but the message for president zelenskyy was that one that you heard an apology there? president zelenskyy for his part. also spoke about the importance of the political challenges in the united states to him, saying that bipartisan support is important. and our meeting here is, we re symbolic. it s very important that you stay with us this bipartisan support with the congress. it s very important that in this unit, united states america, all american people stay with ukraine, like it was during world war ii now says helped to save human lives, to save your this is really the big message that s come across through the weekend of commemorations or the week of commemorations of d-day because it s analogous with what s happening today. and that s something president zelenskyy, border president macrons brought up. president biden two a nicaea. we know that prison biden, he s meeting with his hosts, emmanuel macron in the coming hours, we followed by a state dinner. this is obviously a very resilient relationship, but there are differing opinions amongst these two liters especially with the war in gaza with the war in gaza in particular president macron has been much more of an advocate for an immediate ceasefire and a pressure for that. he would like to see united states put greater pressure on israel to bring that about. there are differences over ukraine as well. president macron, when you met with president zelenskyy yesterday, one of the things they discussed was a coalition of trainers military trainers from nato nations to be placed actually inside ukraine to train ukrainian forces are when president macron has mentioned that in the past, the united states has been very careful to say that s not a position they have at the moment president macron will be very mindful of the fact that the next time he meets a precedent on us, on french soil, it could be president donald trump again, remembering that went donald trump came into office. president macron hosted m and carefully tried to build hold that relationship, but it was still very bumpy and difficult and for president macron, there s a clear recognition that an isolationist united states, which is something that donalds, a donald trump presidency could bring leads, leaves, countries like france and germany and the uk very much in the lead and alone and supporting ukraine. and that will undoubtedly be somewhat of the conversation as they discuss those jaw challenges have peace in the middle east and how to bring stability to ukraine. but more importantly, for macron, what can be sealed in any deals now with a bite inside a biden presidency that can lost an enduring during the next american presidency nic robertson, joining us from london. thank you new developments in israel, hamas war, first-day key member of israel s war cabinet could quit today. benny gantz has threatened to leave the cabinet and the government and says he ll take his party with him. we ll have more on that in just a moment. or meanwhile, the united nations is adding the israeli military, hamas and palestinian islamic jihad to a blacklist of groups that harm children gaza s ministry of health says more than 15,000 palestinian children have been killed in the israel-hamas war. israel denies deliberately targeting civilians. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu posted this on social media. you when put itself today on histories blacklist, when it adopted the absurd claims of hamas, the idf is the most moral military in the world and no flat earth decision by the un secretary general can change that. also on friday, israel struck several locations across gaza, including school. will gaza civil defense says that the school was being used as a shelter for displaced palestinians three people were killed israel says it used precise munitions to target a container on the school grounds that hamas was using next week, us secretary of state antony blinken is heading to the middle east. next week to increase pressure for a ceasefire and hostage release deal. cnn s paula hancocks has more now on benny gantz s threat to leave israel s war cabinet. and the government saturday, june 8 is the de, that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu may find himself even more isolated, both domestically and internationally. it is the self pose deadline that benny gantz, the former defense minister and a key member of the war cabinet, and gave himself, he gave conditions to benjamin netanyahu saying that if those conditions weren t met on june 8th, he would walk away from the coalition. he wanted a definite plan on how to get the hostages back. he wanted to know so what the day after plan was from netanyahu, and he wanted to know how he was going to calm the situation on the northern border so that tens of thousands of residents could move back there. now these conditions have not been met. we do understand that us officials have tried to persuade gantz not to walk away at this point because they how concerned about what that could mean for the hostage ceasefire deal. that is according to us officials, familiar with those conversations, we don t know. however, whether that has had any bearing on what gantz will do. so at 8:40 p.m. local time on saturday night, he will make an announcement and decide whether or not he is going to be walking away from that cohen religion now if he does decide to walk away, it doesn t mean the coalition collapses because netanyahu s still has a majority, although it is a slimmer majority, what it does mean is that netanyahu is a lot more isolated with gantz out of the war cabinet and couldn t make decisions more difficult within that key war cabinet as well. and it comes just days before the us secretary of state antony blinken is coming back to the region. we know who we meeting with egypt, qatar, and also were israel trying to push this hostage deal forward? paula hancocks, cnn, jerusalem the american economy looks strong. it s creating more jobs than expected. so why is wall street less than in foods will take a look plus the lavish gifts strips, and a book deals going to us supreme court justices. what new filings are revealing coming the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. biden. democracy is on the bow of your freedom is on the ballot. trump, there is nothing we can do i do we will make america powerful again, the president and the former president once day two, very different visions for america s future. the weight only cnn can bring it to you, moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate 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expected and american workers earning more as well with wage growth coming in stronger than expected. average hourly earnings. and now up for 0.1% on the year outpacing inflation on the flip side unemployment rose to 4% for the it s time in over two years ryan patel is a senior fellow at the drucker school of management, it claremont graduate university. he s joining us via skype from los angeles. ryan, always good to see you tell us, what do these numbers say about the us economy? confusion i guess, right? you re looking for these reports to come out and say, this is the direction that the economy is going but the number is kinda show both pictures where unemployment kinda continuous rise wage growth rises, but jobs are actually increased as well. so what i mean by that, what it means is that looking at the federal reserve, so they can do choose, decide to decrease interest rates. but this jobs report does not help the case. it also shows a painted picture that is divided on both sides and so i don t want the word is confusion, i guess for those looking from the outside, looking in, and it means that the fed, the federal reserve will continue to pulled pat on not decrease in interest rate because the numbers are not still fighting an inflation as it wants to these 272,000 jobs added. i mean, the numbers are misleading as you say, because of the way that the surveys are conducted, payroll obviously focuses on large companies, but the broader household surveys suggest that unemployment is ticking up so why are they not aligned well, i think also there s a couple of things capturing. think about these surveys how they re capturing it, where they re capturing at what time is it being captured? i also think the gig worker is not being captured in this as well, people choosing not to come back into the workforce there s another thing. so where do you categorize those types of folks in those and also companies choosing, think about small businesses if wages starting to go up, they re going to have less employees on w2, which means that they re going to probably go contract or roles and so that gets reported differently as well. and then you think about some of these industry trees where you think of that job growth out of that report, it was health care government, leisure and hospitality these are consistent with the trends that are growing where the other sectors or not and then there is this, i guess confusion on the stock market you ve got the magnificent seven. are these big companies outperforming, making record profits? they re hiring obviously remains strong with small to medium enterprises suffering yeah. no, i think it was clear in this report in the last couple of reports that small businesses are struggling. i think when you mentioned that magnificent seven, you have to call out nvidia of this the record growth big head, and that s holding the market, i would say and the word ai for a couple of those amd and others are pulling the market up so that trend goes hot brings the market go up. now, mind you when the market goes down and typically who are those, who would the tech talks are taking the town with them. is these very, very sudden that you mentioned. so i think that s where you see the market, but i think small businesses are really feeling it because of wages are becoming more expensive. supply chain cost to goods are expensive and i think that s part of why i think though the biden white house is trying to before the before the white house, before the november election, to do more at the consumer level where they can keep the consumer spending at a high. and so it d be interesting to see what happens next. employments is strong. i mean, that suggests that the economy is in good shape, but i guess not everybody is feeling that. and then you mentioned prison of biden. i mean, this is a big problem. him ceiling. he s economic performance, the strength of the economy because inflation is hurting poor people the most yeah, you ve got the economic fundamentals. you see the numbers and you look at the back end. and then when you see where prices of increased in what parts of the country, what types of dimmer demographics it turns to be when you see these numbers that you see your bank account, i think the word they d been using as vibes. you don t feel that you re getting the economic benefit out of what the market is doing. and i think for president biden is uphill battle for him to face these type of vibes or feelings that people are feeling because they re not spending as much even though consumer spending overall has been there, but that doesn t mean with all the difference from groups that are there and even certain companies and they are sitting on the sideline holding cash instead of investing it. furthermore, because they don t, they re still not sure where the market is and things are expensive because of industries being high. so people are not taking loans out. there are waiting and waiting to see when that occurs. and so it does cause his buildup. where you see shelter prices, rent increase in wages don t always keep up with that. and so it is interesting the dilemma that the president, president biden the white house needs to be talking about the rhetoric has been interesting and it hasn t been really working when it comes to somethings exit polls and surveys and then i guess the biggest question in the markets is when will the fed cut rates? and i guess that s not going to happen while employment remained strong i with you now, the market the market wants as of today, the market thought over 60% of the trend or the guesses were that they mark the future market was saying that they were going to see a wake rate cut in september well, we ll find out next week when the fed meets, when what the rhetoric looks like. but i can tell you this i d be hard pressed to think that they re gonna make a cut in september, right before election. and if they did is 25 basis point. no, that doesn t mean very much. and that would mean that they would start cutting it down as of today. i don t see them doing that based on the data that we have. things can change until september, but it seems like maybe we ll get a rate cut by the end of the year and then going into next year, have a better plan, but to me it doesn t look good for september, even though the market, future markets are saying it s still over 50% chance that occur. but i think it s still coming down that percentage when we get closer. my money is on ryan patel, any day of the week, right. to tell oa or pleasure, love with his speak to you appreciate you. thank you. when you financial disclosure forms filed by us supreme court justices are revealing the lavish gifts. some of them have received from a vacation in bali to be on-site tickets sent by the superstar herself. scene ends. bryan todd takes a closer look. conservative supreme court justice clarence thomas finally discloses one of his controversial trips, a 2019 trip to bali, indonesia, paid for by republican megadonor harlan crow. that vacation was at the center of controversy surrounding travel by thomas and his wife, ginni, the investigative news outlet propublica report what did last year that thomas and his wife accepted luxury trips and gifts from crow for decades, most of which went unreported on thomas s financial disclosures. thomas is reporting of that bali trip was among several new financial disclosures by the justices published friday among them for tickets to a beyond say, concert last year, that the pop star gave to liberal justice, ketanji brown, jackson. the gift was not illegal or unethical under the court s rules, justices are required to report gifts over a certain amount, about $400. they have to report them. and in this case, these tickets were worth more than about $4,000. so that s why they were reported a supreme court s spokeswoman referencing an early hit song by bianna, say, since cnn, a statement saying, quote, justice jackson is crazy in love with bianna music, who isn t jackson also reported that she received artwork valued at more than $12,000 from artists lonnie holley and dr. kathy girls ross, the justices new disclosures of book deals are also raising some eyebrows. jackson, a liberal justice who s the first african american woman on the court, received a payment from a publisher last year for almost $900,000 conservative justice neil gorsuch reported book royalty income of $250,000. fellow conservative but if brett kavanaugh, who is writing a memoir, listed a payment for $340,000. justices are allowed to have some outside income, but most of their outside income is kept around $30,000. except you do not have to have a limit on book royalties and fees. so these justices who signed these multi-million dollar contracts are not subject to any cap and they can make as much as they can from these book deals. but critics say all of this as well as the recent reporting that conservative justice samuel alito and his wife flew flags at their homes that were also flown by january 6, rioters doesn t present the best optics for the court alito had previously drawn criticism for going on a luxury fishing trip on the private jet of a conservative hedge fund manager, a trip that was not initially disclosed. there is a crisis of confidence of the supreme court. it starts with their jurisprudence, but it clearly continues with their ethical issues these new disclosure reports are the first of their kind to be issued since last fall when the supreme court adopted a code of conduct for the first time in its history that was in response to the travel scandals but ethics watchdog groups and some democratic lawmakers are skeptical of the new code because it doesn t contain any enforcement mechanism. bryan todd, cnn, washington well voter is are casting their ballots in slovakia today for elections to see the next european parliament. well, this is video of people voting earlier in the capital bratislava, 27 european union countries, a holding elections over 84 day period. the czech republic in ireland voted friday, but most will go to the polls on sunday to make choices that will shape the blocks political direction for the next five years. will cnn s barbie nadeau has more on what s at stake in this round of elections this concludes this unique transnational democratic exercise. the world is a very different place since european parliamentary elections were held back at 20:19 a global pandemic two major wars, including one in europe and the subsequent rise in energy costs farmers frustrated by eu red tape and cheap imports dumping manure in brussels a worsening climate with activists attacking cultural gems from paris to venice and a cost of living crisis are all among the issues facing europe s 373 million eligible voters these elections are the second largest in the world after india. and considerably bigger than the upcoming american vote. leinz, nine amendments by the comments are responsible as a blog voters in favor between june 6 and ninth, voters in 27 european countries will choose the 720 lawmakers to shape an increasingly only splintered europe for the next five years. your van elections are important because in eu member countries nowadays, a lot of important strategic decisions are taken at the european level this is why the election of the european parliament, which is the only directly elected body of europe, is so important policy making in europe is more complex and the election of the european parliament is only part of that as a result, usually we record the lower turnout than in national elections. recreating a functioning parliament when europe is making a hard rightward shift, won t be easy the first difficult task of the parliament is choosing the president of the european commission with the current president center right german ursula von der leyen, leading most polls for the incumbent to win. she has to slalom between her center right european people s party and the increasingly popular far-right parties of giorgia meloni and marine le pen to secure the newly elected parliaments support. you are preparing to work together with the ecr with that s not what i ve said. i might want to be very clear. this is not what i ve said. okay. i m speaking about members of the european parliament. i want to see where the group themselves and then we work with a groups that are clearly clearly pro-european approach ukraine against food. and for the rule of law, a far-right with more members could greatly influence how europe deals with political priorities like how to share the burden of irregular migration and what exactly to do about artificial intelligence and regulating big tech against a more assertive china and the united states. the european union will need the parliament to set a clear path but with balancing the wide-ranging needs of voters against the goals of divergent parties 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effectively from the outside it s kind of like an underground railroad. when i was having questions about when it seemed like i cannot work on this anymore but what do i do? stacy gilbert, who worked at the state department for more than 20 years so she turned to members of the group when she was considering resigning now she wants to help those who are fighting the system from within, if we can be a resource to help others find their voice find a way to try to affect some policy change that would be useful and gilbert and the others who have left the us government in protest, like alec smith resigned from usaid last month, are also in public events and statements to shed light on all they ve seen. know that i m no longer at usa and i can speak publicly and loudly about what is actually happening on the ground in gaza then i can try to get attention pointed towards me, but people who are suffering there now, gilbert s resignation came after her office at the state department, which focuses on global humanitarian crises, found that israel was impeding the delivery of humanitarian aid into gaza only for the final version of the report to say that israel was not to blame what are the implications of a report like this for the us government, global? fully to say it undermines our credibility is an understatement and for this report to say conditions in gaza dangerous, and these organizations don t have the capacity is just patently false. it is absolutely dangerous. and it is difficult to do the work but these organizations can do it. they are not being allowed to do it. the state department says it stands by its final report. we want to hear their opinions. we want to hear the expertise that they bring to bear, but ultimately it is the president, the secretary, other senior officials that make the decisions about what the policy of the united states out of beep. but gilbert says that many of her colleagues still working on the biden administration s policy and are seeing the death toll of innocent palestinians rise. harberger, same frustrations and continue urging policy changes from within. if i were the only one who thought this way, i would stay in the government. but you re confident they ll continue to have a loosely absolutely. and i will be a voice for them on the outside, but i really am i am determined to do all i can to help from the outside because it s it s very, very hard doing this on the inside now, these former officials say they expect resignations and dissent from within to continue. and one thing we ll be watching to see is if the pressure that president biden and his administration are putting on prime minister benjamin netanyahu to come to a ceasefire agreement, can do anything to quell this mounting descent, this mounting frustration, but from our conversations with these former officials, it would actually take the biden administration cutting off the flow of us weaponry to israel in order to do that, kylee atwood, cnn, the state department a horrifying state. that s how ukraine is describing the condition of some of its prisoners of war released by russia. a little over a week ago, ukrainian officials say some of them suffered severe weight loss during captivity and endured beatings or ukrainian government body in charge of pows, even made comparisons with nazi concentration camps meanwhile, president zelenskyy says time is running out for ukrainian children taken by russia to be brought home kyiv estimates that some 20,000 children suffered that fate the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for president vladimir putin over those deportations for more, we re joined by christina scooter and advocacy manager for where are our pupil? well, that s an ngo trying to uncover force deportations of ukrainians during the war. and she speaking to us from k christina, good to see you. we have seen some horrific images of these pows, these skeletal frames severely malnourished. what other pows saying about the way they would treat it by the russians? good morning, everyone. good morning. thank you for all paying so much attention to ukraine and this topic because this is extremely important, actually, what these people are telling civilian hostages that were back from russia and keep e-tivity. this is just hearable if you saw the pictures, you just can t the small piece of what s going on with those people in the activity. the main thing is that the russia has no more. they don t care about any international law or any international court issue. an even this warranty, you you are talking about now previously, doesn t mean anything to them because they have lot inside the russian federation, they don t have to follow any, any international court issue or any international law. so they have only their law inside the russian federation and actually, i ve been talking to those people or civilian hostages the web back from russian activity and these are really heartbreaking stories. for example, i m just be very brief with one women story that broke my heart she was the wife of actual military of ukrainian armed forces and her neighbors told it to russian soldiers, chose, she was captured like a civilian hostage. she was in a slavery in russian federation for eight months. she was raped multiple times, and she was doing the work from very early morning to late early evening. and the only reason she survived in came back from this slavery was one of those hostages also with hershey. he was like official governor with it local governor and he eight months he got the phone and was able to call one of his officials that he knew in russian federation i mean he came and took them all. so that was the only reason she survived. and this is like the small story. i can you know, right now, we don t know even how many hostages, civilian hostages are in russian federation, but we are talking 20,000 plot some of the like lawyers are telling me that they have 65,000 civilian hostages. they are building even new our presence in crimea because there is no place to get those. all this hostages. there is no place to keep them. so they need more presence of course. if i can just jump in, let s talk about the children what are they saying about bedtime and russia? okay. all those children that came back and this is for the moment is 386 children that we were able to return between almost 20,000 that we know the names off. and actually russian federation is selling that they took 744,000 of ukrainian kidnapped. but the star is almost the same when they work by russia, they were told the de of parents refused from them that they, their families don t need them, that now they are russian. they need to talk crusher russian language. they need to be, they will be happy in russia so. get telling them they will bring them all to russian federation. two and b they re going to be adopted by russian families and there they are happy life is waiting for them all. in there. and also they are like, i mean, i want all i would view tourists and everybody to understand. russia does not need ukrainian they need just knew soldiers in their future wars. so that s what they are doing. two ukrainian kids and also they are filling the demographic the russians have ever least to some children though, christina, why are they doing this? and do they see children as a bargaining chip? yes. and no because this is not an accident. this is what the planned from the very beginning. so there is a few reasons they are doing this because first of all, they want to they want to fulfill the demographic gap, the have inside the russian federation and the the second thing they, they just i don t know if you ever heard about military children camps, what they created this russian know-how. i mean, they put ukrainian kids to those military camps from six till 16-years-old and they train them to be a soldiers. so nowadays, the children that were in donbass in 2014 when all 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leaders are expected to give statements to the press before macron welcomes the president. and the first lady to the famous musee d orsay for a statement dinner. the close ties between the u.s. and france will be on full display today as biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom following his d-day anniversary speech friday cnn senior white house correspondent kayla tausche is live and paris this morning. hello, kayla. we are expecting to see the president at the moment for this welcome ceremony. a walk us through what we will see today well, hello, or should we say bones zhou are from paris, amara today after a point in few days in normandy, the red carpet is now being rolled out in paris where president biden and president macron will now engage in a series of events to deepen the collapse variation between the two countries on a number of fronts, you will see them momentarily arriving at the arctic triomphe with local school children standing by them, they will travel to the elysee palace where they will have a working lunch. the two liters there are expected to discuss two issues. in particular in great detail, the ongoing wars in gaza, where president macron crown has broken with president biden and the ongoing war in ukraine where president macron here in europe has taken something of a leadership position, trying to galvanize the rest of europe to spend more on their collective defenses to produce more, of manufacture, more domestic weapons. in their own countries rather then outsource them and potentially have depleted supplies if there is a potential that war moves past ukraine into europe that is going to be one of the discussions that the two liters have today. and how does support the war in ukraine for the long haul, they re going to be preparing essentially joint positions to go into the g77 but next week and the natives summit that will happen next month. we re also expecting them to discuss climate change, artificial intelligence, and other matters of commercial importance at that state dinner tonight, which has been moved to the elysee palace from the musee d orsay. we expect to luminaries from the business and diplomatic role to be on hand for president macron to fed president biden and a relationship that has deepened over the course of president biden s terms. the two leaders had a very high-profile falling out early in biden s term when he chose to essentially sign up with australia and the united kingdom to partner on the production of nuclear submarines for the indo-pacific where eight french contractor had previously been partnered to build some of those submarines. they were essentially excluded from that partnership and it took several months to bridge that rift now, after sharing a bond over several common goals, common themes, common ideals, the need to defend europe, the need to secure for europe, and the need to essentially protect the west and western ideology. they have grown much closer, but certainly president macron is keen to hear about president biden s prospects for reelection and whether as president biden has said, america is still back, amara i ll take, it kayla tausche, force there in paris. thank you very much, president biden commemorated the 80th anniversary of d-day with a speech in normandy. biden drew on the heroism of the us army rangers who scaled the cliffs of pointe-du-hoc on d-day in 1944 to urge americans to think for this either of the fight for democracy as a cause greater than themselves. and cautioned against isolationism not just to honor those who showed such a remarkable bravery on that day, june 6, 1944. it s listen to the echoes of their voices to hear them because they are summing us. and are summing us now. they ask us what will we do? they re not asking us to scale these cliffs, but they re asking us to stay true to what america stands for they re not asking us to give or risk our lives. but they are asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they re not asking us do their job they re asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time, to defend democracy, to stand up aggression abroad. and at home be part of something bigger than ourselves. joining us now is daniel littmann, white house correspondent for politico. good morning to you, daniel. thanks. good morning for being with us. so let s talk about that speech that we heard from biden up on that famed clifftop obviously, there was some echoes of reagan s address at that same location in 1984 we heard biden there make his case for america s leadership in the world, but he also had a political pitch for those of us here at home. what did you make of what he had to say though he did not mention trump specifically? yeah, he was never going to mention donald trump by name. that would be a big headline because that would be a qbi accused of politicizing this historic memorial to these fall heroes and the people who actually were successful in storming the beaches. and so he has to walk a fine line between reminding americans and the world of democracies challenges today it s one of the top issues on the ballot in terms of what people of both sides think without making it too political and he can t make his entire election pitch all about democracy, given that a lot of americans face more common concerns about pain for bills paying for food and gas. and so they re not going about their lives thinking about democracy all day long. what do you think the white house is hoping will come up today s state visit with the french president well i think, the white house wants to send a message that the u.s. and france are aligned totally on ukraine. tried to see if they can move the ball forward in getting piece in gaza and israel. and i think they want also remind americans of the problem progress that they ve accomplished in terms of pushing back russia from ukraine. they ve had they have rare. this is one of their top foreign policy victories. but it s still uncertain and trump has said he is kind of less in zelensky s corner and people on the right are very skeptical of having a very drawn-out war and it s taken a long time to get weapons back to ukraine. and so they ve had to they ve had some tough spots in terms of zelenskyy is aides were saying, hey, one speech in normandy is not going to to help us out too much. we need weapons, we need training for pilots. if you look, just over the past several months, of course, macron and biden have been aligned when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to the big picture with ukraine and obviously trying to prevent putin from expanding his empire. and of course the war in israel. but macron has taken a different approach and the way he thinks the western world should defend ukraine and also the way that he has condemned israel more publicly. what will you be looking for when it comes to their joint statement? well, they usually work these things out, weighing advance and there s not gonna be that much daylight between the two liters on major themes, the u.s. france or are huge allies. but i m going to what s interesting is that macron s team wanted a press conference joint press conference with biden. they turned that down. there is issues about an logistical issues they ve also had disagreements about china, france, macron has been more warm towards president xi and france has wants to maintain their commercial relationship with china more than the u.s. and i expect that to be talked about a little bit in their joint statement and in their private meeting what about their political calculations as both leaders meet today, i mean, they re both suffering low approval ratings, right? so if you could just give us context on both their perspectives as they have this meeting well, most people don t vote based on foreign policy or a meeting with a foreign leader, not as many french americans who are looking at this relationship, but i think that macron and many european leaders are afraid about biden s political standing they don t want to deal with donald trump one more this, is someone who has said to vladimir putin, you can do whatever the hell you want. if those, if countries are not paying their nato dues and so that is something that is macron can t endorse biden, but he s giving him a bear hug during an election year and this is biden s only state visit abroad during the seizure. and so of course it has good timing. but europe is afraid that it s going to get abandoned by trump, who is going to be more isolationist if he wins reelection, what is significant that you have president biden on this state visit during a very busy election year, daniel let me get to see you as always. thank you. will continue to monitor events in paris and take you back there, live in just a moment. we re waiting president biden and first lady dr. jill biden, to depart. there in route to the aac to try on for that. welcome 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benjamin netanyahu s war cabinet is expected to announce whether he will go through with his vow to leave the israeli government at a popular former defense minister said last month that he and his national unity the party would resign unless netanyahu came up with a plan for gaza s postwar future as well as bringing home the hostages. cnn has been wiedemann is an beirut for us and ben today was gantz s deadline for a naval plan do we have any idea if he may have changed his mind about resigning amara before we get to the question of benny gantz s political future, we re receiving reports from gaza that there s a major israeli military operation in the central part of the gaza strip focused on the nuseirat refugee camp and bidded bella were told that the main hospital they re the an aqsa martyrs hospital has already received 16 bodies and there are reports of hundreds of people injured, including many women and children. now, regarding benny gantz, last month, he said on the 8th of june he would withdraw from the war cabinet if prime minister benjamin netanyahu did not come up with some sort of plan for a post-war arrangement in gaza so to speak, today is 8 june and all indications are that he s going ahead with this it s resignation we understand that this evening at 8:00 p.m. local time, he will be holding a press conference and the expectation is that he will announce his withdrawal. now, he his party is not part of the the ruling coalition led by netanyahu. he joined the israeli war cabinet after 7 october, really, is part, a, part of a unity government. however, he has had differences his with prime minister netanyahu for many months. now he has been pressing for some sort of end to the war in gaza. but netanyahu doesn t seem to be in a great hurry to do that. now, we understand, however, that both of them basically agreed that they don t want the creation of a palestinian state something that president biden has pushed for eventually. and neither of them is in favor of the palestinian 40 running gaza after the war. nonetheless guns has had better relations with the biden administration. then the prime minister netanyahu gantz has actually gone to washington in defiance of the wishes of the prime minister but the fact that his party is not part of the ruling coalition means that his departure isn t necessarily going to result in the fall of the netanyahu government. it may however mean that the extremists in his cabinet will have even more influence on the prime minister timur emmer up, victor been wiedemann thank you so much. within our scene and military analysts, kernel cedric latent and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger is also a new york times white house national security correspondent and the author of a new cold war s, china s rise, russia s invasion and america struggled to defend the west, gentlemen, welcome, good to see you, colonel, let me start with you and kind of put together the news that we got from the top with ben wiedemann. and this expected departure of benny gantz does his departure dramatically change the execution of the war by the idf? said that there could be more extremist who have louder voices within this coalition of netanyahu s. what does the war cabinet without gantz look like on the ground? well, good morning, victor. i think it looks less moderate and if you can use the term moderate in quotation marks because the way the idf has conducted this effort, it, this war effort in gaza, it s really doesn t look like it s a an operation if they re handling with kid gloves, they re using brute force tactics in many instances and ben described at the top of his port there are still very major operations going on. so in the short term, the departure of the potential departure of defense minister against will not change those operations. and in fact, it could basically exacerbate debate the tensions that are already very high between the civilian population in gaza and the idf. so i think these are the kinds of things that we have to look for. i think that against this departure may result in even less moderate approach. when it comes to the conduct of the war david, betty guys gave netanyahu and ultimatum. he wanted to hear the plan to get the hostages back to israel. and what is the plan for a post-war gaza if he didn t get that, he was out on june 8th. he s not getting that and we ll get to that a little later. but what s the white? get house view of this likely departure well, on one hand, they are completely in gantz s camp. here it s the white house that has been pressing for a plan not only a short-term plan on the military sayyed, but an end game plan here for how gaza would be administered, for how long israeli troops would remain, four, how do you define the defeat of hamas? because as we learned after 911, you never completely defeat a terror group. obviously new members joined and so forth. but you want to get to a zero point, which president biden thinks he israelis arad right now, where the terror group cannot launch another major attack which of course is just what the president said the other day. so gantz s had much more of a direct channel back-and-forth with the pentagon, with secretary, lloyd austin, the defense secretary certainly with jake sullivan, and national security adviser and his departure is actually going to make it a little bit harder for the administration to talk to the war cabinet there are accustomed to ganz. he used to run the military. they consider him to be somebody who thinks and military terms and it s going to leave them more dependent on talking to netanyahu. kernel weight and cnn has learned that the cia is circulating a report that concludes a netanyahu is likely to defy the u.s. demand for the plan. the plan that benny gantz once as well about what happens after the war his belief is that he can avoid an exodus of military leaders, of members of the coalition if he speaks in vague terms here about what he wants to do next for in gaza how does that, if at all influence what the us does as it relates to military support, financial support for israel well, this is going to be very interesting question, victor, because it may not be the administration who wants to do this. the biden administration, but this could very well play into our hands of those elements in the us who do not want to support israel. there have been calls even from the nwa cp to stop arming israel, to stop weapons supply for israel. and if those kinds of efforts bear fruit, they could very well and create a big rift between israel and the united states. it was really be the first time in a long time that we ve actually seen a cutoff of arms from the us to israel. and i think it s a very distinct possibility, if netanyahu gets his way. and in essence kicks the can down the road forever and ever. and it does not come up with a plan and in essence says stalls everything so that he can not only maintain power, but keep the military operation alive for a very long time, a quickly david, how big of a threat politically is betty gods to netanyahu now outside of the war cabinet, if he does, it leaves a few months ago, we would ve said a significant one. israelis hold pretty highly for his opposition party but that has decreased some in the past couple of months. it ll be interesting to see if it comes back back now as he s operating from the outside, instead of the inside in some ways, he may be a bigger threat to netanyahu as an outsider. and thus more free to be a critic david sanger, kernel, cedric leighton. thank you thank and we continue to follow developments out of france this morning. where president biden and french president emmanuel macron will participate in a welcome ceremony at the orca triomphe as part of president biden state visit. these are live pictures the us president s motorcade as they re headed to this welcome ceremony and they will be greeted by the french 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then a great possession possession to the elysee palace. we will continue to monitor these live events. this is the president now getting out of the limo. you see the embrace between first lady jill biden, and brigitte macron. these two countries obviously have a very long history together. france, the u.s. is oldest ally, these men, a warm relationship is described by the white house, although there have certainly been moments of tension over the last several years, this so this is a moment of grandeur the pomp and celebration of the relationship of the two countries. they will get to that working lunch later today to talk about some serious topics. the president, they re waving to crowds that had gathered to see the two liters the first lady s we will see them. eventually later this morning, deliver or join statements as well. it will not be a press conference, so no questions from reporters and then from there they will participate in a state dinner at elysee palace. we re joined now again by cnn military analysts, kernel cedric leighton and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. new york times, white house and national security correspondent, david, let me start with you. there will be a lot of pretty pictures today some fantastic champagne tonight in the meantime, in-between time, what s the work that is to be done well, i m the pomp and ceremony sayyed. no one does this like the french, the dinners, the whole look in the elite zai palace the parades you ll remember that it s when president trump, when he was still in office went to a military parade in france. that he came back insistent that the united states too big military parades in washington and his military had to talk him down from this. so you ll see a lot of great scenery on the substance, it has been as you suggested earlier, vector a bit of a testy relationship. it s started off badly when the united states went and behind francis back did a deal with australia for new nuclear submarines. and basically cut out in existing french relationship that didn t get it off to the start and they ve had different strategies on ukraine consistently with president macron only recently raising less suggestion that the west should be putting troops into ukraine, something the president opposes so you ll see a little bit of jiaqing on that. but i m sure they ll do their best to make her that doesn t come out. it s one reason there s no joint press conference and speaking of the pomp and circumstance, if you gentlemen will hold on for a bit as we take a listen to these live moments right now in paris and as we bring it back to the conversation with david saying or and curl, cedric late. and we also have nic robertson are international diplomatic editor are standing buy on the issue of substance. and i want to get to you, colonel leighton let s talk about ukraine, because obviously ukraine is top of mind for both president s as zelenskyy was there for the d-day commemorations. we saw that he had the meeting with president biden on friday where he thanked him for america s reversal on policy allowing us weapons to be used inside russia for counter attacks but of course, biden also apologizing for the delay in funding colonel, how important is it for president biden and macron to be in lockstep in strategy when it comes to crime because we ve seen some differences, right? i mean, macron has been, i guess bolder in his approach to ukraine wanting more direct military involvement by nato allies. what are your thoughts on his approach versus the us one of the great things about this is that as we watched the two presidents lay the wreath to add the tomb of the unknown soldier s in france, in paris let s be honest the way in which they re doing this together is kind of the way the country s really want to act in terms of ukraine now, when it comes to the actual fact of the matter, there on slightly different timetables. so it s not anything that can t be bridged but one of the things that the french have announced is that they are going to provide training in mirage 2000 jet fighters for the ukrainian armed forces and that is going to make a really big difference. in the war effort in terms of beefing up ukraine s air force that will be in conjunction with the team training that is already happening. i not only in the united states, but in denmark and there s also supposed to be a trading center in romania that is being set up with french health so these are the kinds of things that will be a part of the effort. now, in terms of artillery and air defenses, the french have provided and in the process of providing even more weaponry in that, in that area to the ukrainians the united states, of course, as also do this in the preponderance of military aid is still coming from the united states, but basically france is leading the european collision to support the ukrainian war effort and i think president mecole seize this as being really a very important bulwark that he s setting up an essence of buffer zone with ukraine at the center of this buffer between an expansionist, russia desire by russia to move forward to consolidate its power and in essence to challenge nato, france recognizes that any challenges to nato are really challenges to its sovereignty and instability to note, maintain its independence as a european power. but it also means that the french are willing to to some extent to shoulder more of a burden, at least in the political sense. now in the 5-methyl, since that s a different, a different issue nic robertson to you now, both of these men are watching the calendar and they know that the us is about five months out from that s not funnel election and the former president donald trump could possibly be in the oval office again, how much does that calendar and the potential for a change in leadership here in the us influence what is happening today, what will be decided and discuss today, and the urgency of any plans as it relates to the two major wars were watching and the rest. let me pause and we ll listen here to this moment i don t april a belt all right. the singing their of the us and french national anthems after the plague of those national anthems before that, ruth was laid at the tomb of the unknown i m shoulder soldier. this, of course, the welcome ceremony at the oc to triumph. we re watching a flyover as well as this welcome ceremony continues. nick, let me get back to you and the question of how the u.s. election influences what will be discussed in decided today it doesn t really just picking up from the conversation you are having prior to that, the differences between the united states and france today, president biden s position, emmanuel macron s position today is a concern and it s a concern because of the recognition that president putin in russia will just exploit any tiny difference that he spots in the nato alliance in terms of positions, whether it s macrons forward leaning desire to put military trainers on the ground inside ukraine, united states reticence to do that compared to an even more potentially isolationist situation in the united states under donald trump, if he becomes president and carries out some of the things is indicated that he would do yeah. as the clock counts down on that because they re putin would not be looking at exploiting small differences. there would be, in essence, if that was to happen a major rupture in the nato-like alliance and the belief in countries like france and germany and the baltic states and the new members like finland and sweden is that putin would massively try to exploit what he would perceive as a weakened nato because it wouldn t have the united states support that the money going into ukraine and the weapons going into ukraine could be faltering. so the clock ticks. there is nothing i drew. these leaders are perhaps less that president macron can do and maybe more that president biden can do in terms of finding ways to win the narrative and win the election in november. but the calendar is against both man and there are no assurances today that president biden can really give him emmanuel macron or any other european leader that are going to assuage their fears that an isolationist, the united states could be a reality they re dealing with by this time next year, of course, emmanuel macron tried to have a strong and positive i m robust relationship with then-president trump. but even that, despite his best efforts, faltered along the way. so there s a real realization macron has dealt with a president trump and knows the realities of the difficulty of how that relationship could be. so it s hard to it s hard to know what precisely the nature of the conversation, but undoubtedly it s going to be a topic and undoubtedly macron would look to biden any assurance and reaffirmation. biden s come confidence that he is going to win the election but at the 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welcome ceremony, where they are now informally going around to meet some of the service members they gathered for this occasion, likely these are more of the d-day veterans who ve been honored over the last several days. this the 80th anniversary of that invasion in 1944, we heard from the president in normandy on friday. and of course that well, that sentiment will flow throughout the next several days of event here in pairs, the president, i believe five days overall in france, as this both combined d-day commemoration and the state visit, again, will bring these lab pictures as events continued throughout the day it s good to see you in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson, who is back with us now from london. let s talk about that speech neck that we heard on friday from biden, a really impassioned speech against isolationism, but also, he had a message to americans about fighting democracy, continuing to carry that torch of fighting democracy and obviously a veiled reference to donald trump there was that veiled reference running all the way through it. and but also a message to the young people, not just the united states, but in all democracies, remembering that president biden came to office talking about a moment and inflection point in history where people can choose between democracies and autocracies and through his presidency with putin s invasion in ukraine, that s become very apparent. and the 80th anniversary was the d-day was perhaps the best way to kendall that idea in a younger population that here before you in these near hundred year-old veterans we re was once upon a time, young men who stood up to the tester them moment in time and president biden saying very clearly that you may need to stand up not necessarily fight for your democracy, but he said freedom doesn t come for free. so there s a price to pay. we heard at the ceremonies on thursday a navy lieutenant commanders saying relieving, if you will, the veterans of their duty saying we ve got the watch but with that, watch comes a price and this is really what president biden was talking about but it is in essence his message to his european partners as well that under my watch, as us president, we ve got your back, we support you. the alliance s strong, the alliance s important being united as the way to stand up to putin, who president zelenskyy compared to nazi time, adolf hitler. and for that reason, i think there was a broad resonance, but really you could tell certainly there was perhaps more in this for domestic u.s audience so there was for an international audience who d heard the speeches the prior day, but really the need not just in the united states, but in europe as well to awaken that idea in younger generations here in the uk, for example, elections coming up, the prime minister s talking about ray bring it, bring it back in again, national service, britain s army as a post-world war ii low point more than just around about 60,000 troops, not enough to feel that big fighting force should nato call for it. so leaders are looking around for ways to invigorates younger generations to recognize that there could be a test like this coming and that was, that was that was perhaps a strongest thrust of what president biden was speaking about you re president macron are spending a few minutes now i m talking with secretary of state antony blinken there in the center of your screen. of course, we learned from the state department that secretary blinken will be heading to the mideast for the eighth visit since the start of the war between israel and hamas two again, try to get those two sides to a ceasefire deal, something that will likely be part of the conversation between presidents. biden and macron. nic robertson. thank you for the reporting and analysis there. we will stay with you throughout the morning. and continue to stay with these live pictures of this state visit. we re back after a quick break the increase in 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war cabinet expires in the hours ahead the key member is demanding when it comes to the conflict. and what could happen if he carries through on his threat we begin our in paris where the close ties between the u.s. and france will be on full display as us president joe biden. continues his official state visit with a full day of events. french president emmanuel macron will welcome mr. biden and the first lady with a formal ceremony at the okta triomphe. there will be a parade precession to the least, say palace, followed by a working lunch in the evening. the macron s will host the bidens at the music duo say for a state dinner it s coming on the heels of the 80th anniversary of d-day will president biden on the allied troops of world war ii during a speech on the cliffs of normandy on friday, he evoked the legacy as he called on the world to defend democracies under threat. today but i ll ask us to give or risk our lives but they are asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they re not asking us to do their job. they re asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time to defend democracy, to stand up aggression abroad. and at home read part of something bigger than ourselves. for more on this cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson joins us now live from london, nyc obviously president biden spending a full day really with his host. it s testament, i guess to the bond between these two countries. yeah, i think it is and it s testament in a way to how comfortable president biden fills in france has been that it will be probably, by the time he leaves expanded to leave on sunday, it had been there for five days. i don t think a us president in recent history spent so much time in one single country outside of the united states for, for some time this is a relationship that s important to president biden he needs strong allies and partners in europe. it s a relationship that s important to president macron. you who courted donald trump when he was president hosted him to dinner. i think it was in the eiffel tower so macron has always been careful to try to have a strong working on solid relationship with us president s, particularly now, britain is outside of the european union. france s it is one of the strongest partners, if you will, that the united states can look to to have influence in brussels within the european union there are differences, of course, between the two countries, but today, we ll be full of sort of ceremony and the symbolic nature of that relationship attending a ceremony at the de triomphe for a parade, dan to the elysee palace are working lunch and then back for a state dinner at the lee say palace in the evening. so this really is the french de, the french president, laying on the best of what france has to offer to visiting world leaders president biden is really getting the treat at the french today nick, yeah, as we know, over these last few days, present, button really has been front and center on the world stage during this this trip to commemorate d-day what impact will this have on us foreign policy, particularly on the wars in ukraine and gaza well when you talk about gaza, there are obvious differences between president macrons position and president biden s position. a stark contrast can be seen when the international criminal court, the icc, called for the request for arrest warrants for prime minister netanyahu so and the hamas leaders united states, condemned that even there was talk from within the united states of the challenge to the icc but what we heard from france, which is a signature signatory to the rome statute, which supports the icc. what the icc is doing. and if there was an arrest warrant for prime minister netanyahu, if he was to go to france, then the french will be obliged to arrest him. if that was to happen so the french said that they supported the move by the icc. so clearly, president biden and macron the sea differently on israel france is much more forward leaning. i wanted to see a sea as far in gaza, but it supports the united states position that calling for an independent palestinian state are recognizing an independent palestinian stay right now is not the right course of action. and on ukraine as well president macron is more forward leaning down the united states. he wants to form a coalition of countries that will send international military trainers. military trainers into ukraine praying nato try to train ukrainian soldiers. know nato nation has done this. at least publicly, yet, and this is much more than the united states wants to do when macron has taught about this in the policy united states has been very careful to say no. that s not where we are on this. so will it how will it change in shape that? will macrons going to do is back as the push the united states forward, but we know that president biden is constrained not just by his own worldview, but by domestic politics at home. he is unlikely to take a strong position that france wants on the war in gaza. and he s going to be very cautious about how he approaches involving us troops, potentially on the ground in ukraine, the domestic appetite for that this is perhaps not in the same place as domestic appetite and frances robinson that joining us from london, many thanks well, back in the us, mr. biden faces mounting pressure from within his own administration to change you as policy over the israel hamas war, cnn s kali atwood has more almost a dozen us officials who have resigned in protest of the biden administration s approach to the israel-hamas war. i want us to abide by our own laws. there s a real disconnect between what we and usaid are saying and every humanitarian agency is saying why should the rest of the world look to is as a leader, are banding together to explore how to use their voices effectively from the outside. it s kind of like an underground railroad. when i was having questions about when it seemed like i cannot work on this anymore but what do i do? stacy gilbert, who worked at the state department for more than 20 years. so she turned to members of the group when she was considering resigning. now she wants to help those who are fighting the system from within if we can be a resource to help others find their voice find a way to try to affect some policy change that would be useful. gilbert and the others who have left the us government in protest, like alec smith resigned from usaid last month, are also in public events and statements to shed light on all they ve seen. know that i m no longer at usa and i can speak publicly and loudly about what is actually happening on the ground in gaza and i can try to get attention pointed towards me, but people who are suffering there now gilbert s resignation came after her office at the state department, which focuses on global humanitarian crises, found that israel was impeding the delivery of humanitarian aid into gaza only for the final version of the report to say that israel was not to blame what are the implications of a report like this for the us government globally? to say it undermines our credibility is an understatement and for this report to say, conditions in gaza are dating dress, and these organizations don t have the capacity is just patently false. it is absolutely dangerous and it is difficult to do the work burke but these organizations can do it. they are not being allowed to do it the state department says it stands by its final report. we want to hear their opinions. we want to hear the expertise that they bring to bear, but ultimately it is the president, the secretary, other senior officials that make the decisions about what the policy of the united states out of beep. but gilbert says that many of her colleagues still working on the biden administration s policy and are seeing the death toll of innocent palestinians rise. harberger, same frustrations and continue urging policy changes from within. if i were the only one who thought this way, i would stay in the government. but you re confident they ll continue to have slowly absolutely i will i will be a voice for them on the outside, but i really am. i am determined to do all i can help from the outside because it s it s very, very hard doing this on inside. now, these warmer officials say they expect resignations and descend from within to continue. and one thing we ll be watching to see is if the pressure that president biden and his administration are putting on prime minister benjamin netanyahu to come to a ceasefire agreement, can do anything to quell this mounting descent, this mounting frustration, but from our conversations with these former officials, it would actually take the biden administration cutting off the flow of us weaponry to israel in order to do that kylie atwood, cnn, the state department will that frustration is being fueled by reports that are coming out of gaza. it seems daily. the director of rafah s kuwaiti hospitals is to workers there were killed and five others wounded by an idf strike last month kuwait hospital was forced to close after continuous israeli strikes, cnn has reached out to the idf for comment. well, the coming hours could be crucial for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he s facing pressure from the united states to accept a ceasefire and hostage release agreement. now it came member of his war cabinet could quit. benny gantz has threatened to leave the cabinet and the government. and he says, he ll take his party with him. well, meanwhile, the united nations is adding the israeli military, hamas, and palestinian islamic jihad to a list of groups that harm children the un secretary general s spokesman says the list will be presented to the security council next week gaza s ministry of hills sysml than 15,000 palestinian children have been killed in israel. hamas war israel denies deliberately targeting civilians cnn senior international correspondent has been weighed him and joins us now live from beirut and ben, let s start with that ultimatum by benny gantz word is that the united states is trying to get gantz to stay. what more you learning? yes. well, he last month has said that on the 8th of june today, he would resign if benjamin netanyahu did not come out with some sort of post-war plan for gaza. well, that hasn t happened. it s 8 june and it is expected that it s evening and around the 8:00 p.m. a. local time, he will be giving a press conference and all indications from the israeli media is that he will indeed carry through with his threat. now, what does this mean? what his party is actually not a member of netanyahu s code collision, which has 64 out of the 120 seats in the knesset. so it s not like netanyahu s government is going to collapse but good gantz s considered to be sort of one of the adults in the room and experienced military figure who was chief of staff for the israeli army later at defense minister, he is someone who is perhaps according to these ready media, trying to keep the government on an even he ll pull him out and that means sort of that sort of level of control goes and netanyahu will be under the pressure more pressure from the extremist ministers in his cabinet but fundamentally for instance, guns does not support the creation of a palestinian state he does not support the idea of palestinian authority, going into gaza to administer it in the post-war phase. so basically, the difference between netanyahu and gun on tone, not necessarily the actual action on the ground node guns has been in favor of some sort of rapid end, to this war, we have now beginning the ninth month of this war. netanyahu doesn t seem to be quite as eager for that but the end of the day, i think the expectation is the war will continue. netanyahu s made it clear that despite the 31 may biden peace proposal, that his goal is the complete destruction of hamas difficult if not impossible, as that maybe anna and ben the un s designation of israel as a state that harms children the israelis are incense to tell us about the announcement and this reaction well every year the united nations puts out a report on entities and country he s harm children in war. and now israel joins saudi arabia, afghanistan, the democratic republic of congo, hamas islamic jihad, sudan, syria, yemen, and isis on that list. as you mentioned in the introduction israel has, according to the ministry of health in gaza, killed more than 15,000 children. it s a lot of children and certainly what we re seeing on our screens, what we re hearing from the ground is yes, many children have been killed as a result of this war in gaza, where the death toll is approaching 40,000. and therefore it s not necessary it s essentially a surprise. it was a surprise to the israelis, the chief of staff of the un secretary general, antonio guterres, called the israel kylian vasodilate to the un, to inform him before this announcement was made, the israeli investor recorded video recorded that conversation and described the israeli army as the most moral army in the world. now, this is something that the israelis have repeated for decades, but certainly this war, in particular brings that claim. in 2000 15,000 children certainly is a huge number and wait a min, joining us from beirut. thank you the secret service is preparing for massive pro-palestinian demonstrations in washington dc today, putting up extra fencing to protect the white house. they ve also blocked off access to the white house gates service agent till cnn. they re expecting up to 12,000 protesters. us president joe biden will not be at the white house since he s attending that state visit in france? we are getting word of a new russian strikes on ukraine as the french president spills out, the timeframe, the starting to train ukrainian pilots on french fighter jets. that story, plus bouton is bragging about having many 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is seen any israel well, prosecutors in hunter biden s federal gun trial finished presenting the evidence on friday, and the defense called hunters daughter naomi, to the stand. the son of a us president is accused of having a gun while abusing drugs and lying on a form about his use of the contraband. cnn s paula reid has more the government rested its federal gun case against hunter biden immediately after a hunters lawyers began their defense, which included emotional testimony from his 30-year-old daughter, naomi, when she entered the courtroom with her husband, peter neil, first lady, dr. jill biden motioned for him to sit next to her in the front row with approximately a dozen other biden family members. once naomi was on the stand, defense attorney abbe lowell asked her about the two time she saw her father in 2018. he seemed like the clearest that i had seen him since my uncle died and he just seemed really great. she testified that she had not seen her father for a long time when she and her then boyfriend now husband, met him at a coffee shop along with hunter s sober coach. i told him that i was so proud of him and i was so proud to introduce peter to him. she then testified she saw her father again in new york city in october of 2018, during the time her father owned the gun at the center of this case, she said she met him to give back because car she had borrowed for a move and she testified the car was in good shape and had no evidence of drugs adding that he seemed hopeful, but on cross-examination, naomi and defense attorneys seemed caught off guard when prosecutors presented texts between her and her father during that trip, when he appeared erratic and went dark for long stretches, one of her texts reading, i don t know what to say. i just miss you so much. i just want to hang out with you. and from him one saying, i m sorry, i have been so unreachable. it s not fair to you, naomi testified that she returned the our on october 19 and that at that time she didn t see any drug paraphernalia in it a few days after that, her aunt hallie biden testified earlier in the trial that she found drug paraphernalia in that same car, prosecutors seizing on this and suggesting that the drug residue and drug paraphernalia must have been put in the car our after she returned it, timeline crucial as hunter is accused of lying on federal gun buying forms about his drug use at that time. now, the defense team has a weekend to decide i d if they want to put hunter on the stand and this is a risk reward calculus source familiar with their thinking tells me they think hunter could provide additional context. so those text messages you said hallie biden, where he suggested he was on a car doing crack or meeting someone they mci presumably to buy drugs. you would like to testify that he was just trying to we d seen hallie and he wasn t actually using at that time. he also believed that putting them on the stand could help to build some sympathy or empathy from members of the jury there is also a risk these prosecutors they are at the top of their game. and as we saw with his daughter, naomi biden, they will look for any opportunity to undercut a witnesses credibility paula reid, cnn, wilmington, delaware a witness in the trial of us senator bob menendez says, he gave a continent and his wife as a bribe. jose uribe testified friday saying that in exchange for a mercedes convertible, nadine menendez promised to try to prevent an investigation into rubies trucking business everybody testified under a plea agreement bob menendez and others charged in the case of pleaded not guilty. nadine menendez is facing a separate to trial later. this year. former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows is pleading not guilty to charges of conspiring to overturn the 2020 election results in arizona is one of 18 trump allies charged in connection with the fake electors case in the stage. cnn s crayon law has more on the latest legal issue connected to the former president arizona prosecutors arrive for the arraignments of some of former president donald trump s closest advisers. sir, could you state your name, please? mark randall matters. trump s former white house chief of staff. we do an enter a plea of not guilty, also, entering a not guilty plea. trump campaign operative, mike roman, could you state your name, please? michael roman and meadows both face charges in multiple states and the fake elector scheme aimed at overturning the 2020 election results in arizona and in georgia. roman, also this week was indicted in wisconsin the state cases, all date back to an alleged plan hatched in the days and weeks after trump lost his last reelection bid, where the underside being the duly elected and qualified electors in arizona calling themselves electors. these 11 people assembled on december 14, 2020 to declare the state s winner. donald j. trump, of his state of florida. number a bonus 11 but joe biden had won arizona arizona prosecutors say meadows, roman, and other trump allies charged in april, like former trump attorney john eastman. i of course, pled night guilty. and current rnc election integrity council. christina bobb will be what the case coordinated fake electors in arizona and other swing-state attempting to keep trump in power. perhaps the most well-known of the 18 indicted by arizona is former trump lawyer rudy giuliani who say arizona prosecutors, dodge them for weeks as they tried to serve him court papers there. so incompetent, they can find me they also can t count votes correctly live streaming has taunts right thing until arizona agents caught up with giuliani and he said his 80th birthday in florida now has two weeks to appear in person in court and post a $10,000 bond giuliani so far hasn t indicated exactly when he s going to be heading to arizona. we did check with the maricopa county sheriff s department. and so far, he has not yet been processed for his mug shot or his fingerprints we checked in to see where giuliani might be. he was live streaming has show from michigan young law, cnn, los angeles the judge who oversaw the trump hush money trial is dealing with a social media post. they claim to know the verdict before it was even delivered. a poster who claims to be the cousin of a juror, said that trump would be convicted in a message on the courts facebook page last month the judge has brief both the prosecution and trump s defense on the comment. it is not clear if there is any validity to the post. will meanwhile, judge juan merchan s is trump s attorney. can join the former president. saturday s pre-sentence investigation interview the interview will form part of the report. the judge will receive ahead of trump s sentencing next month. the former president has been boasting of his fundraising windfall on the heels of his hush money conviction and he s in california to raise even more who cnn s alayna treene with the latest well, just a week after the former president was convicted in manhattan, donald trump is back on the campaign trail and aggressively fundraising in cattle hello, fournier. now on thursday, donald trump attended a san francisco fundraiser at the home of silicon valley investor david sacks, that was organized actually by jd vance, one of donald trump s top contenders to become vice president. and i was told that advance it really spent months working on getting sacks to endorse the former president. they viewed that endorsement and the fundraiser as a sign as silicon valley starting to embrace donald trump. now on friday, donald trump also has a fundraiser in beverly hills this one home hosted by le samson, a very wealthy businessman, who has endorsed the former president the past and has donated to him before and then on saturday, donald trump have another fundraiser in orange county and luck, all of this comes as donald trump is continuing to rail against that verdict in new york, we heard him speak about that in thursday at a rally in phoenix it s where he called the conviction rigueur, called the verdict rigged, and the jury rigged, and also said that if his case did not win on an appeal, would be no country anymore foreign. we also have heard donald trump really escalate his rhetoric for retribution against his political opponents. take a listen to what trump to dr. phil in an interview on thursday retribution is going to be through success. we re going to make it very successful. we have to bring the country together the word revenge is a very strong word, but maybe we have revenge through success while revenge does time, i will say that does and sometimes revenge can be justified if though i have this b honest, sometimes it can. now what i find very interesting about that interview is that donald trump, over the past several days now, has done a series of what i would dries as friendly interviews where the host have really tried to get him to step away from these calls for retribution. but as we just saw in that interview with dr. phil he s refusing to do so. instead, he s doubling if not tripling down on his calls for revenge. and this is something we really heard donald trump talk about ever since he was indicted last year, he is called hold for potentially going after and prosecuting some of his political opponents. and i think we ll continue to hear that rhetoric when he speaks at a rally in las vegas on sunday alayna treene, cnn, los angeles well on the campaign trail, trump is also railing against biden s new executive order on immigration. he is what he told a crowd in phoenix, arizona on thursday you people know better than just about anybody about the southern border because they are pouring through your state at levels, nobody s ever seen before. two days ago, joe biden signed and executive order to officially declare his formal approval and support for the largest border invasion in the history of the world. so this has been the largest invasion in history. we ve never, we are being invaded well, the number of migrant crossings at the us, mexico border has not changed much since new asylum restrictions went into effect earlier this week. but senior white house officials believe crossings will drop homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas spoke to cnn about trump s three action to the executive order it s inappropriate for me to respond to a political candidates statements. let me just say that president biden has taken an executive action to strengthen our border security after congress has failed to act, but only congress can fix what everyone agrees is a broken immigration system it s done the immigration landscape is a volatile one. we know that for for many years, but this measure, this executive action, is far different than what the former president sought to deal we have not eliminated asylum. we are allowing between 14 and 1,500 individuals to use our processes the cbp one application to come to a port of entry at a predesignated appointed time and claim asylum in a safe orderly, and lawful way. that was not the case under the prior administration. in addition, this president president biden, has established an unprecedented number of lawful pathways for individuals to seek humanitarian relief in the united states including asylum outside of the grip of exploitative human smuggling, organizations. so this is far different than what the prior administration sought to do. we are adhering to our nation s values and strengthening border security surprisingly, strong jobs, growths in the u.s. is dashing hopes that the federal reserve will cut interest rates anytime soon the us added 272,000 jobs in may, far more than expected and american workers earning more as well with wage growth coming in stronger than expected average hourly earnings are now up 4.1 0.1% on the year outpacing inflation on the flip side unemployment rose to 4% for the first time in over two years, i spoke with 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morning and it happened in central gaza, the area of nuseirat camp now, we know from the israeli side that they say that for israeli hostages have been released. and as you say, one of those hostages is noaa. money, a 25-year-old chinese israeli citizen, who, as you say, we did see on the back of a motorbike on october 7 being taken away by hamas militants. she was at the nova music festival this potentially one of the better known that hostages the that we have been hearing about over the last eight months we also know that andre kosla for 27-year-old, russian israeli citizen, has been rescued as well. he was working security at the music festival when he was taken hostage shlomi sieve, 40-year-old, who was also working security at that music festival where hundreds were killed on october 7 and i ll maga media johnny 20 one-year-old. so the four according to it, israeli officials, that we ve heard from our in good medical condition, they have been taken to a medical center to check them over. let s listen to what the idf spokesman had to say this was a high risk complex mission based on precise intelligence conducted in daylight in two separate buildings. deep inside gaza while under fire on fire, inside the buildings, under fire. on the way, on the way out from gaza, all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks there are underwent intensive training they risk their lives to save the lives of all hostages but we also have to look at what is happening in gaza devastation left behind after this operation. we hear now from our producer on the ground, that at least 55 have been killed in the area that this operation happened is at the al-aqsa martyrs hospital and hundreds more have been injured hancocks with the reporting from jerusalem, paula, thank you. let s bring it back now, here state s sayyed and the 2024 race for president. now, 150 days until election day. but the election season starts far before that. first of all, this week, republicans can see the cracks in the coalition of black and latino voters that helped joe biden beat donald trump in 2020. but it s not clear that they have a seamless strategy to actually win those voters senator tim scott announced that he s giving it a shot this week. he s launching a multimillion-dollar effort to tor battleground states and recruit black and latino voters for trump and the gop here s the catch though, in the announcement a source told cnn the republican national committee, and the trump campaign are quote aware of the initiative and they plan to be resources where needed. but this was not a directive from the trump campaign. so it seemed like they know he s doing this, but nobody asked him to do this. and those no urgency to help him help them center is god s plan is expected to focus on michigan north carolina, georgia arizona, nevada, and pennsylvania. so let s go to philadelphia this past weekend trump campaign, they actually hosted a black americans for trump up prevent. this one is cognac and cigars because you know how much we love hennessy the philadelphia inquirer points out that the first event was in northeast philadelphia. one of the widest and most conservative parts of philly congressman byron donalds was the main speaker. and for the rest of the week, he had to clean up or explain or defend comments he made that day about black families being together during jim crow let s talk about this muddled messaging with michael harriet. he is a columnist for the grill and author of the black aif history, the and whitewash story of america. michael good to have you. thanks for having me. so let s start here with why is tim scott doing this? and is he the best? i guess ambassador for the gop to get black and latino voters. he s, he s expecting to get them for trump and the gop when he couldn t get them for his own campaign. well, no part of the reason tim scott is doing this is not like you said, trump didn t ask him to do it is part of like he has some leftover campaign money. any wants to be vice friend? so why not use this to by the vice presidency, he s best positioned out of all the candidates, like to be the black vice president. so that s part of it. and the other reason is, i mean, let s be honest, i d like you know, here black people talk about like, let s go to the tim scott party yeah, you don t want to go right out to the tilt kind of it. but tim scott is partially dorna s to kind of make a men s to his own black constituents in his own blackstone, which is also a part what i don t understand because the way tim scott speaks about race in racism in the country now and he says there is no structural racism, there is no institutional racism is not the way he has always spoken about. if this is tim scott in 2016 talking about racism and the scales of justice, watch this so while i thank god, i have not endured bodily harm i have, however, felt the pressure applied by the scales of justice when they are slanted i have felt the anger the frustration, sadness and the humiliation that comes with feeling like you re being targeted for nothing more. then being just yourself that was 2016 and he one on the same ballot is donald trump won reelection in 2022. what happened? there? donald trump happen right so i ve talked to tim scott about this issue about justice in policing. remember, for years tim scott was trying to push through police reform or the water scott notification act four years, but all that would away with donald trump, right? because this current republican party is not really a conservative party, is the party of fealty to one guy. and what one guy dictates is what you have to do or be on the outs with the entire republican base. and so tim scott has set aside all nest of this. he has been fighting for for his own self-preservation. and that is to serve donald trump, the lord and savior. here s what byron donalds said this week about black families and jim crow so one of the things is actually happening in our culture would your now starting to see in our politics is the re, in the region invigoration of black families with younger black men and black women that is also hoping so breed the revised hi have a black middle class in america. you see during jim crow going to go back to orange and grow back family wants together during more black people were not just conservative, but you always have 50 serving of my are more black people holy conservative leak and then hew, lyndon johnson. and you go down that road. and now we are where we are now he could. have made that point without invoking jim crow. why the frame work of american apartheid around families and families staying together? well, first of all, yeah, like you said, like, i don t even know why he spent the rest of the week defending stuff that he brought up. but i think that he was dog listening to a particular part of his base, white, not the black men, but there is a segment of black men who wish that they could return to the days when women didn t have all the rights that s one of the parts of that that we don t talk about that he s kind of dog whistling to like after the civil rights act women also got rights and that is why marriage rates in every race decline because they could have bank accounts, they could get jobs. and that s one of the things that he was dog whistling too. but the other thing is that he was dog whistling two part of his constituency because at those events, mostly white and at those events like those constituents who are gathered their they also are what to return to that jim crow time. that s the place that they want a return. that s what they re talking about, what they say make america great again. and that was also or not those people michael harriet. thank you for having us understand this outreach to black and latino voters. thanks so much for being with us. $130 billion. that s a lot of money according to the fearless fund. that s venture capital funding raised by us companies in 2018 the firm says that when they found out that only 2% of that financing with the companies founded by women. and less than 1% went to company started by women of color. it became their mission to close that gap with a grant program for black women entrepreneurs but their work is now on hold after a new federal well appeals court ruling fearless fund was soon on behalf of a group called the american alliance for equal rights. and they argue the program violates the law. and they say programs that excludes certain individuals because of their race, such as the ones that feel this fund has designed and implemented are unjust and polarizing. now, the aer is led by edward blum. now he s not a household name, but i m sure, you know, the fruits of his work recently he s the legal strategist who supreme court case dismantled affirmative action in college admissions. a blom is not trying to hide his continuing crew say this headline conservative activist who took down affirmative action is now going after law firms, diversity programs is featured on his groups website. his group is also going after a southwest airlines travel award program for hispanic students. the smithsonian institute, a national museum of american latino, in march blum touted as settlement that promised the museum s internship will now be open to all ethnicities but not just blum. it s taken up this cost since the affirmative action ruling conservative groups like here s have targeted a range of programs from those studying reparations to a program meant to help pregnant women of color now with that context, let s bring it now. ariane simone, she s the ceo and founding partner of fearless fund. thank you for being with me this morning. let me start here with i think is probably a pedestrian question, but i want to let you run a little bit with it. why socially, why culturally are these efforts successful, and why the fearless fund? i can t exactly tell you why the fearless fund, but what i can share is the impact that we have had prior to the fearless fund being in existence. black women had an average fund raise of $30,000 when the fearless fund was bounded, it came on the scene. we were cutting seven figure checks to black and brown women. our thesis is that a woman of color co-founder must be on the founding team and that is the impact that we have had. we ve raised somewhere over 60 million. we ve deployed investments at our investment vehicle and at our foundation, we have deployed grants as well as health education programs. i can t exactly say why we were targeted, but we this is the impact that we have and maybe some view it as a threat so among your list of investors, bank of america, jpmorgan, chase, mastercard, ally paypal does this ruling jeopardize that support that you then pass on to the women you award these grants well, there s two things going on. there s our foundation that s where grant programs are held. and there is our fund which is our investment vehicle, since the lawsuit, i can say that we have not had a closing on the funds sayyed, where we raise capital in order to invest in women of color since the lawsuit, we have had some corporate partners step up on the foundation sayyed, can continue those programs, but on the front side, we have not had a closing since the litigation has taken place. so there was a study from goldman sachs in 2020 that black business owners say that they were denied bank funding at a rate three times that of what we heard from are they heard from white business owners? what does this ruling practically mean for black women invest entrepreneurs and maybe other organizations that like yours target investment in this community that is at the front of the line when it comes to starting new businesses in this country it is very concerning. we only exist due to the racial disparities that exist as you stated, just recently, that there have been many times where people of color and black women and black people have been denied funding and financing there is no reason why black women are the most founded entrepreneur demographic, while receiving the least of the funding that takes place. there s no reason for that at all. these programs are at stake and they re at stake because this is a precedent case. this being used as a benchmark way to establish case law for what is either violating the law or accepted by the law. so yes, this is definitely very concerning and i hope everybody is taking note on simone ceo and co-founder of the fearless fund. thank you so much for your time this morning. well, he murdered a black lives matter protester in 2020. but daniel perry is now out of prison thanks to a pardon from the governor of texas, will speak to the district attorney who is now fighting to undo that. and the mother fighting for justice for her son, garrett foster plus id day medic, who s he wrote heroism, went unrecognized 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perry s attorney is responding kalisa garcia is making a mockery of the laws of texas and the state constitution which give governor abbott this power well, travis county district attorney jose garza is with us now alongside sheila foster, garrett foster s mother thank you both for being with me. and let me start here with you, da garza, texas constitution, our region just a section of it. the governor shall have power on the written sine recommendation and advice of the board of pardons and paroles the majority thereof to grant reprise commutation of punishments and pardons. why is perry s attorney wrong? the governor s power to issue a pardon is not on limited and that s because the governor is not a king. he s not a monarch. keats still has to operate inside of our democracy and inside our democracy, there are rules that are laws that govern how pardons can be issued and what steps need to be taken before a pardon can be issued. in this instance. those laws were clearly violated. but texas also has defense council would read a little further in the constitution. he would also see that the texas this constitution has one of the strongest separation of powers clauses in the country. and as a result of that, it prohibits the governor from interfering in the role of the judiciary, which is exactly what he s done in this case. this pardon makes a mockery of our justice system. it has inserted politics above the law and above justice, and we intend to continue the fight. them to uphold this conviction or garrett and for his family ms foster, to you, you ve spoken about not just what this pardon means for you, your family, your son, but what this means potentially for other governors, for other offenders, the legal system it sets a precedent. it sends the wrong message it allows people to copycat what he did and how would everybody feel if that had been a trump rally? would he be pardoning this man if that had been a trump rally the garza, you say that this interferes with a judicial system if that is the threshold let me just give you some some room here to explain that. how does it interfere? i mean, the the guy oven or has the power after conviction on advice from the pardon and paroles board that happened here where did he interfere? let s let s talk about this from a couple of different perspectives. first of all this part is wholly unprecedented in many ways. the request for a pardon was issued less than 24 hours after the jury verdict the part in itself was granted after the appellate. i m sorry, before the appellate process even began it is the first time in the history of the state of texas that have governor has pardon someone before the appellate process has run its course. but the other piece of this is that the rules are clear. that in order for a pardon to be granted in the case defendant is asserting actual innocence. that the defendant has to either provide evidence from the district court or provide written letters from from two of the trial officials and in this case, none of that happened because all of this is political. let s remember that the governor old for this, pardon? i m after being bullied by tucker carlson and other right-wing voices on conservative media and so no one should be surprised that they circumvented all of the rules and all of the normal legal process to get to this political outcome. certainly the power of pardon is a strong one, but it is not an unlimited power. and it should be insulated from politics. that s not the case here sheila i having spoken with several parents in your position after losing a child, the conviction of the person who murdered that child is part of the healing not closure. i don t think there s ever closure, but healing how has this period since the pardon been for you i ve been sick ever since the governor announced his plans to pardon. i haven t been able to return to work because i am so sick because of the stress we waited nearly three years for a trial and when we finally got a guilty verdict, i was able to sleep fully for the whole night for the first time since my son s death. and then 18 hours after the jury verdict the governor announced his plans, departed it has wreaked havoc on my health and now that he s done it i don t i don t function normally anymore i m just honestly terrified how is weekend? i know saying yeah, i saw her last week and visited with her and she s she has struggling this is not right. there s nothing about this that is fair. there was nothing wrong done in that trial and they are just using this for political pandering. i should also say the documents show that perry texted in may of 2020 quote, i might go to dallas to shoot looters close. quote, and also shared racist messages, including white power memes, as well. now there are 14 attorney s general who are asking the department of justice to look into this see if there had been federal laws broken sheila foster, district attorney, jose garza. i thank you 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the api described the metal being passed around among the soldiers delicately. and it was explained that we want to be able to say that this metal came from omaha beach and was at the site of woodson s actions corporate woodson son, steven is here also with this is shyam brown. she chronicled the stories of heroes like stevens dad in a new documentary a docuseries, in fact called erased world war 2s, heroes of color welcome to you both. and steven, let me start with you because i understand there was a reporter from the api who described to you over the phone what that ceremony was and what they did and as you heard it, what do you feel i was overwhelmed with emotion. victor, it was extremely well-done i actually did get to see portions of the video and on there s truly unbelievable and honored what does this mean for your family for your 90 mother? what does this honor, now, me it s a tremendous honor to our family. we ve been in pursuit for recognition for not only my dad, but just african american soldiers who participated in d-day invasion is 320th and by receiving this honor, it s just a little bit more of closure of recognition for all african american soldiers have participated in d-day. my dad s heroism was outstanding, but it s true honor, our family and shy. and do we know how many now black service members participated on that day in 1944? so with the free 20th, there were over 1,000 african american troops as a part of that barrage barrage balloon battalion and as well as the free 20th who were the only black combat unit to land on the beaches of d-day. there were also a lot of labor troops and so within our documentary series, we ve looked at combat unit combat units as well as people who would have been serviced troops at the time. so yeah, there s we re still discovering stories and it s just it s been an amazing journey to be a pole. according to the army, more than 1 million you in black people served during world war ii we know why they weren t recognized 80 years ago or even 50, 40 years ago. but why are they so under-recognized today, cheyenne oh, that s a tough question, but i think there s a way of rewriting history and what we mentioned in my film is that there are plenty or history books films, documentaries, which often leave out the black experience in world war two. but what we know is it was world war there were over 8 million people of color who served in world war two. and i think those stories need to be recognized and it s taken so long because i think it s hidden history and i think it s incredibly empowering and brave what these men and women do and had done there. so i think it s, i think it s who writes the history, what historians know, what archivists know. and another thing is a lot of the time to black troops what photograph, and they weren t recorded but in my film, you see black troops on in kettering in middle england. so we managed to discover that footage, but it was really, it s quite difficult to find a large array or photographs and footage steven, i understand that your family is now calling for your father to be honored with the medal of honor yes. matter of fact, we ve been in pursuit for this or with this for a number of years. my mom is really karatay, the torch or a majority of the time and with her being 95 now, she s doing great. but she has asked me to step up in and take her place in pursuit of my dad s recognition. so everything is going along fine senator chris van hollen from the state of maryland has been really instrumental and attempting to get recognition to him. well, i hope you are successful. steven woodson. thank you for your time. cheyenne brown. thank you as well. the d-day episode of erased world war ii, heroes of color is streaming. now alright, coming up we all recognize the regulatory and beat when we hear right but could a lawsuit over its origin bring down the entire genre will ask an expert? the athletes made you re pushing the limits of what is k 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foundational to reggaeton. a lot of people would say without that beat, that rhythm, it s not reggae tone. and you can find that beat propelling most reggae tone souls so this judge is now not determined whether the beat pattern is original work are warranted copyright protection you study this, does it first appear in fish market in 1989 or has it been around forever? well, yeah, it s a great question and perhaps a crucial question and one that will start to come out as the trial proceeds and it really depends on how you define it. obviously, steely and clearly or making the argument that they brought this rhythm into shape. and in an original and protectable way back back, then but it really is a question that basic beat that get to get, get to that we hear all the time and reggaeton. and that really define the sound of dancehall reggae in the late 80s and early 90s on the other hand, could be heard as a far, far older and more traditional rhythm these days we call it dembo pointing back to a dental rigueur record by sciubba ranks called dembo but 100 years ago, you would have heard somebody referring to that basic rhythm as the harb and anera because it was so closely linked to havana and in various other moments in time, it s been known as the tango. that s where tango gets its name. it s been known as bamboo law. according to robert farris thompson the great chronicler of afro diasporic culture in his work on tango he notes that back in congo, it was known as a mach-e new the call to dance. and so it s also not wrong for you to respond that way and apparently people have been responding that way to that rhythm for a very long time. one of the more than 100 artists who have been sued is, as i mentioned, bad bunny his album in 2023 was the most streamed album on spotify, 4.5 billion streams. what does this lawsuit mean in this moment of man? i save growth for reggaeton right? yeah, i mean, as you note reggaeton has been a massive growth sector in the music industry in general, bad bunny has been on top of the world more or less for several years. we had the story of days by sito back in 2017, making a record run up the anglo pop charts. so there s a lot of money, there s a lot of money, and reggaeton. and i think that s part of the backdrop here, is that jim making musical style has been a part of the global mainstream for quite awhile. and it has sort of defined the global mainstream through, through reggae tone for the last possibly 20 years, certainly the last decade or so. i think you ve got a lot of jamaican producers and artists looking around and seeing a lot of people who are not jamaican exploiting beats that they think really are from jamaica. and they re wondering what they ve been left out. yeah. and that is certainly the undertone of this now is reclaiming the origin of some of this music as so many around the world are profiting from it. wayne marshall ethnomusicologists. my first one on the show. thank you for being with 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div class= gutr > that is it for us, thank you so much for watching. remember, if your friends are busy tonight, had a hot date, you and can watch the nightcap tomorrow night, saturday at 11:00. he s turn right here on msnbc. for now i am signing off and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i will see you tomorrow. i think back and i go, this was such a senseless murder. and why diane? why, when she was ready to start a brand-new life? i will never know that answer. spectacles kept coming. hi diane, it s 2:00, just making sure you are here today. at 2:00 it was too late. simone have killed her. we had her body at the scene, that was all. she had a fiance. they argued a lot. we had our ups and downs, no question. and a coworker with a crush. he was an odd character. i was always very spoiled lead to her. everybody was suspect. then the break. tips from other women. he wanted to get me in there and i didn t budge and all of the bells were going off. i jumped in my car and took off. i felt i had dodged a bullet. the who was frightening, but the y was much worse. in my wildest rooms i would have never imagined something like this could even exist we you certainly had a motive. yes, we did. it was the afternoon of november the 15th, austin, texas, 4:00 p.m. something ominous in the air. suddenly, the familiar feel of it against the skin, comping. something big. they did tell us on the news, if you don t have to go out tonight, don t, because we are going to get relentless reins. and then the sky overhead turned dark, like midnight in the afternoon. when stuff like that is pitch black out and you have the fear of tornadoes. sure enough, so the announcers on tv, twisters had been spotted heading towards the city, including northwest. diane lived in the northwest and i called her i said, hey, girl, they just said there is a tornado heading in your direction, and she said my direction? and she s like, i don t know what to do. i ve never been in a tornado. so, she was kind of freaked out? she was very freaked out. then the ferocious rain and heavy wind, the thick funnel clouds dipped around the city. the next morning, a friday. it was all over. friends checked on friends. but no one could reach diane. the freaked out one. diane holik work from home, for ibm. that morning, so unlike her. she missed the conference call. hi diane, it is to:00. i am just checking to make sure you are safe. all day, phone calls from ibm and friends went to voicemail. diane, hey, this is sharon, i was going to see if you are going to show up tonight or not. she didn t. i got to the club and i was waiting, and she didn t come, she didn t come, and i spent all of my time wondering when she was going to show up. had she been caught in the storm? had her house been hit? a coworker called the police. they cruised over to diane s neighborhood and found her big house unscathed. they. through windows, the security key. they went upstairs. there, all but hidden behind a guest room bed, they found diane. someone had killed her. i actually had a scream of some sort, just like, you can t it is not true. that is not what happened, that is not diane. but of course it was. diane holik, 43 years old, suddenly the unlikely center of a strange and disturbing mystery, and a most unlikely victim, murdered. absolutely lived life with gusto. she was a vivacious, beautiful woman. reporter: lynn had a known diane since the 90s when they started working together at ibm. she let her friends, she let her family. we would vacation together. we would have so much fun and just laugh and laugh and laugh. well, a lot of things we like to do altogether was we hit the clubs a lot. lots of dancing. lots of dancing. diane met anita and cheyenne cooper at the ladies room of an austin bar. she was in there, she said oh, you have cowboy boots, you must know where country barn is. we said yeah, i do. our best friend is coming and we are going to go when she gets here. and she said cool, i m going to go with y all. first time i had ever met her, never seen her before. she was in town for 3 weeks. diane said well, not just for the club, so she gets into the truck where her clothes are and starts pulling at something western and starts putting it on right there in the parking lot. she was crazy. she was throwing things on that she was stripped right there in the parking lot. right there in the parking lot. we danced all night long, she was having a blast, so happy that she had met the two of us, because she said, now i have me some dancing buddies. so magnetic. which, said her colleague, helped make her a fine recruiter for ibm. i would center off to colleges, and these kids, they would just gravitate to her. she had a personality that just stood out. and her attitude? endlessly adventurous. one time i remember sending her off to do a recruiting trip, and she got out there and they were doing a balloon fest, and she called me up and said, i need half a day off. and i said why? she said, i m jumping in a balloon and going. she would always test the edges with you? always, yes. she would throw all kinds of parties at her house and invite everyone she knows. so, they may not know each other, but everybody knew her? yes. yes. and she was great, she just loved having all of these wonderful people around her. in any room, any crowd, diane was the lure, especially to men. it was never a problem going out with her, because she was like a magnet for all of us. yeah. there was always been around when diane was there. always. so there were. now she was dead. and the one thing that seemed obvious, there is that second floor bedroom, what happened to diane for the mark of a man. coming up, a killer is calm and cool as he is coldhearted. you commit the act of murder, and then you leave, you don t want to get caught, the that person didn t do it. that, in itself was odd. someone close to diane? 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(energizing music) i got a page from the supervisor in homicide saying that a woman had been found deceased in her home in northwest austin. narrator: detectives tracey gerrish and eric de los santos i got a page from the supervisor and homicide, saying that the woman had been deceased in her home in northwest boston. detectives tracy garrett i long since learned that if didn t tell them much. but when diane was murdered? we had the body, and that was all in the beginning. they looked for evidence of forced entry, there was none. the doors were locked and windows were attacked. either the killer knew her, or she let the person in. in any event it certainly didn t look like a robbery turned deadly. she still had her watch on, she still had a tennis bracelet on, and she had a charm that was in her hair that had obviously been on that was not around her neck. she also had some money that was sticking out of her pocket. so, maybe diane s body would tell them the story. the killer had hidden her under a bedspread. it appeared that she had been strangled, a ligature mark around her neck. it could have been a rope, it could have been one of those flecks fans that you used to exercise. clearly not somebody s had? clearly. what about her eyes and her face? was there any sign there? she definitely had in the eyes sign strangulation. she appeared to have a bruise on her cheek. it was like a rubbing type of a bruise on her cheek and she had four of them on her stomach. rubbing type of ruse? as if you are being dragged across the carpet and it was a rug burn. they discovered sponges of lipstick and mascara on the carpet. we also found a spot of urine, where her body would have been, had she been strangled. so, we knew something that happened there at that particular spot. she must have been killed there. and behind the bed where they found her body, was there any indication that she had been sexually assaulted in any way? no. her clothes weren t messed up. there was nothing indicating that she had been fighting, she had no scratch marks on her neck. why didn t she try to defend herself? so, as we continue to look at the body we notice some red marks on her wrist. that was interesting, because you don t usually see that. there was no ties, there was no rope, there is no tape around her in the room. just red marks. just red marks. little red marks that look, somehow familiar. it looks like two parallel lines, and then perpendicular to those lines were little lines , probably a 16th of an inch apart. i ve seen these marks before, sometimes on the flex ties that we use. ties. zip tied binder. but then he would have cut them off afterwards. he obviously cut them off afterwards, and we knew that immediately. detective santos s mind went to the darkest of places. diane must have been restrained with those zip ties, helpless, terrified as she watched her killer preparing the ligature and put it around her neck. what kind of horror did you go through? what was going through your head? after she was dead, the killer must have stayed for a while, carefully erasing any sign of his or her presence. so, that in and of itself was odd, that doesn t happen. you commit the act of murder and then you leave, you are scared, you want to get out of there, you don t want to get caught. this person that we didn t know, if they were male or female, didn t do that. with this person? so deliberate, so cold-blooded. this was no straightforward case, nothing simple about it. i probably didn t sleep for 72 hours. as they chased down their endless questions. so, what does that leave you with? was it a targeted killing? the one who is angry with her? those were all possibilities. most of the time you are going to be killed by someone you know. sometimes it is someone you know very well. and of course, we are all familiar with domestic violence, so, you know, we want to see who is in the immediate inner circle of her life? diane s friends, they learned, she had been married years before, but had spent most of her adult life as a single woman and happily so. until she changed her mind. she left her single life, and she loved her independence, but an interesting thing happened when she had 40. she decided, i need a partner, i need somebody like my friends have. i wanted marriage, i want the things they have. so, diane set out to find a mate. with the help of the dating service, it s just lunch. and pretty soon she met a divorced father of two, named dennis connolly. i think they truly, immediately had a chemistry. i think they were in love. he was a successful businessman, he was handsome, he took her everywhere, and that is what she was looking for. just two months later, dennis presented diane with the bubble of a lifetime, a $20,000 engagement ring. he loved her, he put her on a pedestal and treated her like a queen. she likes his daughter, she cared very much for his daughters. and that was a strong point. they make plans, as lovers do. dennis had moved from austin to houston. the idea was diane could sell her big house and move down there too. it was a downmarket then, but as diane told her friends, there was one potential buyer. now diane was dead. and there were all of those questions. not a robbery, and yet, as the detectives soon discovered, something was missing that $20,000 engagement ring nowhere to be found. so, police wondered, where was fiance, dennis, during the violent storm? and did he know something? coming up. the storm outside and in. they argued a lot. we had our ups and downs, no question. you know, it wasn t like physical? never. when dateline continues. lin it s okay to show off. with dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. because you have plenty of reasons to show off your skin. with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, you can stay ahead of your eczema. it helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema to help heal your skin from within. many adults saw 90% clearer skin, some even achieved long-lasting clearer skin and fast itch relief after first dose. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don t change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. show off to the world. ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. ask your eczema specialist it was true, all her friends knew it, diane holik was in love with the man it was true. all of her friends knew it. diane holik was in love with the man she met , smitten like a teenage girl, but the road of love, as we all know isn t always smooth. they were engaged so quickly. too quickly? before long they encountered some serious issued set her friends, anita and jared. they argued a lot. about, one example? her dogs, were like children to diane. but she told her friends, dennis didn t want any dogs in their new house in houston. they fought, set her friends, about what he seems to want her to be. she was always talking about, hey, didn t want her to do this or didn t want her to do that and that will cause arguments. she would not go along with it? no. she was independent? what was he? controlling. oh. very controlling. that can be a difficult combination to so, it was confusing, she probably wore this spectacular ring, but the engagement was off and then, maybe on again. and yet, that very week, set her friends, diane told them she still didn t know what to do. so, she had gone back and forth and back and forth? emotionally she was a roller coaster, because she just couldn t see how it was going to work and none of us could see how it would work either. especially when she told sharon she had made a date with another man. we kept telling her, if you are still wanting to do these things, you are not ready for that. but she had her house for sale? yes, she was going to downsize. if she didn t get married, she was going to downsize anyway, because this house was just way too good. waffling under plans for dennis? a date with another man? she said she had seen dennis angry, so, after diane was murdered, she wondered maybe he had just lost control of his life and killed her. that was my first thought. detective gerst ash dennis to come to the station to speak without the aid of a lawyer. the detectives focused on the timeline. they believed diane had been killed that stormy thursday afternoon or evening. her body was discovered about 5:30 p.m., friday. we were definitely interested in where he had been for the last three days. he knew he was going to verify his alibi to us. at the station, dennis seemed upset, but composed. as he told investigators, he was in his office in houston the night of the big storm, but exchange online messages with diane, back in austin that afternoon. it was just, you know, like, hey, i m working late, i m getting ready to go home, and she just send me, you know, i love you. that was it. and you were at the office? okay. dennis said he got home from work late thursday evening and was back on friday. we looked at the conference, could he have driven down to austin for diane and theoretically driven back in time for work? and yes, he probably could have. they checked diane s answering machine and found messages from him, this one was left on friday, the day after the big storm. she was dead by then. hey, you, if i don t hear from you in about an hour, and calling the freaking police. and have to go by your house okay? another message, saturday morning. diane, what is going on? give me a call. you have me worried to death. by. which could have been some sort of cover-up, of course. dennis admitted, their relationship was iffy. we ran into rough spots. we were going to build a house in houston and i decided that, you know, given the fact that we weren t getting along to gather, very well i mean, there was no fight, we all fight, it s just everybody carries baggage of your relationships at this age, and and our baggage was clashing, and we were working on it, but we decided not to be engaged anymore. okay. and stop holding a house. but he said they were going to therapy, which was hoping. i mean, we were really, really making breakthroughs, you know? about diane s dogs, for example. she saw that i was accepting the fact that, you know, her dogs were going to be in the house. and not long before diane was killed i remember her saying you know, that she would she loved me and that she would jump at the chance to be in a relationship and marry me, and, you know, no matter how long it took. yeah. we had our ups and downs, no question, but it wasn t like no physical fights? no. never, never, never even angry or loud words. it was just it s stupid, you know? she thought i should be more of a like, handyman kind of guy, like her dad, right? and and i thought she should be more appreciative. what she faithful to you? i would i would be shocked if she wasn t. i would be stunned. everyone has his or her version of the truth, of course. dennis story, not at all what diane s friends said they had been hearing from her. i wanted so many times to just say, dude, you are just so stupid, because she did want to marry you. detective geyer garrett took fingerprints, collected dennis s dna and check his alibi, and dennis? before he left, dennis brought up another name. has anybody gotten a hold of ray? no, we are trying to figure out who ray is. ray was a colleague of diane s at ibm. he seemed to worship the ground she walks on. he seems to be attracted to women that are not attracted to him. honestly, if i was if i was a woman, i would he would be giving me the creeps. and according to dennis, he and diane were not on good terms. now, they had a falling out about a month or so ago. don t know the exact nature of it. so, time for a talk with ray. coming up. a coworker, with a crush, but did he want something more? i was always very spoiled to her, and very affectionate to her. when dateline continues. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ingrezza ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ingrezza everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. i ll be honest. by the end of the day, my floors.yeesh. but who has the time to clean? that s why i love my swiffer wetjet. it s a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. i am just collate in with the hour s top stories. the united nations is answering adding israel and hamas to its military forces harming children amid military conflict. the news comes as israel faces new criticism for an airstrike in central gaza that killed dozens of people at a u.n. displacing palestinians. and president biden spoke of the need to protect democracy while fighting dictators and hateful ideology, as he honor the sacrifices of soldiers 80 years ago on the beaches of normandy. now, back to dateline. suspicion. there was lots of it to go around after diane holik was choked to death in her own guest bedroom. at least one of diane s friends directed her suspicion at dennis. the man who said he was her fiance, but was he anymore. dennis swore it wasn t him, but maybe he was suspicious too. what about this guy? he asked? what about ray. there was a man that she worked with, by the name of rafael chauncey, and she had actually hired him at ibm, so she was kind of his boss. maybe more than his boss? here s what diane s friends told the police about ray. he was johnny on the spot every time she needed something. he always called ray and ray was there. honestly in my heart i believe that he truly loved her and would have varied her. if she would have him? yeah. if she would have him. it seemed off to dennis. s relationship with diane he told the police, it was a little too cozy, obsessive maybe? he always felt like maybe ray kind of took a liking to her was very infatuated with her, and he would always offer to take care of her dogs when she was out of town. always wanted to be kind of close to her. so, he thought maybe that he had too much of an interest in diane. what s more, ray had his own personal key to diane the house and remember, there was no forced entry. the killer was either invited and or had a key. so, detective gerrish asked ray to come into the station and answer a few questions, except it was ray who seems to be full of questions. working on it. unfortunately i don t know anything about diane holick when until i went to her house last night. he seemed excited to share what he knew. how long have you known diane? two years. he was an odd character, eager to help us, almost too i eager, to the point where throw us off a little bit. my group, my payment to her was not to always take care of her dogs. in two years she didn t have a dog sitter, i even change my schedule so i could walk her dogs. he told you a lot didn t he? man, i can t believe it. i always had a crush on diane, since i was younger. to diane reciprocate your feelings? no. did that ever cause problems to you? no. in the beginning argument that stuff? no, in the beginning we have some i was always very spoil- ey to her, very affectionate, she didn t like it. they played good cup, that cop. another detective came in, frustrated. no sexual relationships? you want to? i always wanted to, but never did. know, it was a little bit more formal than that i guess. you never had a sexual relationship? no. never. so, your dna shouldn t be found on her? you are not giving it to us? if you wanted. ray agreed, he did have a key to her house, but he also had an alibi, he was at work the day diane was murdered. i had the badge. there s cameras all over the place too at work. you can ask for the records. that day, ray said he stayed late at work and then drove home through the terrible traffic created by the storm. and after that, stayed home. stayed home and didn t go anywhere. back to work this morning at 8:00, 8:00. of course they needed to verify all of that. but when they asked ray about dennis, the fiance? that is a loaded question. it is and. i mean, i want the truth. there were some problems or whatever? they were going to get married this november. clearly diane had complicated relationships with dennis and ray. so, just as they had done with dennis, police fingerprinted ray and took a dna swab and went on looking. sharon told the detectives done had a date with the man and they couldn t figure out who that man was, but they tracked down every man she had met from the dating service. i interviewed every single day she had through that service. too many options. police wondered, has diane been strangled by a man she had met through the dating service? or a man she knew well? even left? and yes, something seems to be missing, but what? this wasn t going to be easy. coming up, a funeral and a wedding, and what some say was a former fiance s extremely strange behavior. oh god, we did a morbid thing. i mean beyond belief. and finally a clue. was this one of his stakes? when dateline continues. first and only nasal spray for dry eye. tyrvaya treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease fast by helping your body produce its own real tears. common side effects include sneezing, cough, and throat and nose irritation. relying only on drops? not me. my own real tears are my relief. ask your eye doctor about tyrvaya. that is an affluent neighborhood. it s not normally where you find murder victims. narrator: darla davis was worried. that is an affluent neighborhood, it is not normally where you would find murder victims. tyler davis was worried. diane s ball body was there barely cold. prosecutors jump on the case and encountered a problem. the fact that she lived by herself. there were many wanted to change that single status and there was certainly reason to look at them carefully. but the prosecutor worried too. about another possibility. we might have a stranger on stranger offense, which is way harder to solve. so, essentially a dead body, not much evidence? right. no idea who did it. exactly, and i had an idea that we would have the crime scene. that meant she had investigators went back to diane s house to take a look. and went over it with the alternate light source. we have to do it in the dark. we just take it and put it in carpeting or on any kind of fabric or anything. and certain things will fluoresce. for example, if there is blood. the alternate light search source we are looking for. it didn t look like diane had been sexually assaulted. but they had to know for sure. and when they tested? there were no indications that there was any semen anywhere. and that room are different parts of the house. nothing. no semen, no blood, no evidence of sexual assault. and apart from her missing engagement, nothing in diane s house seemed out of place. except, in the middle of the otherwise brisk living room. there, on the loveseat is this tower just thrown open. weird. it was definitely out of place. maybe it was left behind by the killer? was this one of the mistakes? there were hairs later on. her hairs? no. there were seven hairs on that terrible. they sent the hairs to the dna lab. her friends plan the excruciating details for diane s memorial service here in austin. sharon found the funeral home and the lady to do the makeup and everything. we went in with them and help them pick out a casket and all. and her dress for an open casket. i need to make sure that whatever we got looks right and covered the appropriate parts of her. seeing where the wounds were, seeing where the ligature marks were, probably just as difficult as the day i found out that she passed. dennis came to the service, as expected, but he tended to not speak with anybody, which i found somewhat strange for a man, who was so in love with diane. front and center? no, he did not sit front and center, which somewhat surprised me. watched through a haze of grief and suspicion. when diane s parents moved her body from austin to their home in new york for the funeral, diane s friends as was dennis. and as diane lee in her open casket something very strange happened. oh god. he did a morbid thing that just infuriated her parents. i mean, beyond belief. dennis had brought a minister with him to the funeral. to actually say the marriage vows to him, as she was laying in the coffin. and then took her hand and put that gold band on. i thought mom was going to come unglued. diane s parents removed the ring, said a friend. but, the diane s family was appalled and her friends were deeply suspicious, back in austin, investigators were looking at all kinds of possibilities. dennis, ray, and other men diane had left remained on the list of statements, their alibis checked and rechecked. and the first time love. but that murder prosecutors talked about, was that really what happened? was the killer some random predator? is not a great feeling to know that you are going to have to expand out into the possibilities that this was somebody who was a stranger to her. because that makes it so much harder. that second, more intense search of the crime scene detectives found the first time, including this killer, where the lover has been careful and clearly prepared for what he, or she was going to do. this person, who is trying to avoid being captured. yes, so he cut the zip tie off of her and took the zip tie with him. and thus removed the evidence, but there was this one other thing, just a passing comment. they heard it from anita, on the phone with diane. she said that she had somebody that had come by earlier and had looked at the house, was very impressed with it. i said that is good. she says, yeah. i might finally sell this thing. good that visitor be connected to diane s murder somehow? or that discarded what towel? with those seven tiny strands of hair. coming up, a stranger knocking on doors. what happened next. i felt i had dodged a bullet. he wanted to get me in there and i didn t budge. i stood there with all of the bells going off. when dateline continues. ne this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. shingles could also lead to serious complications that can last for years. if you re over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. and as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. don t wait. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today. 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you always try to find the last person that saw sure. the victim alive. and we thought, well, this man could be the last person to see her alive. narrator: who was this phantom homebuyer? interviewer: did anybody get a name? we did get one name, walter miller and a number. narrator: walter miller? of course, they looked up the walter miller s around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description, though. and the phone number the man left course they looked up to walterg miller around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description though. and the phone number the man left? it ended up being a fax machine. it ended up belonging to the wife of a guy, by the name of matthew supolsky. matthew supolsky. what with you? he had a background involving a drug addiction, the muscles, a restraining order against him. and we eventually tracked on matthew and they realized right away he could not be the killer. he was in a neck brace, he had been in a bad accident, he had paralysis on his arms, so we knew it couldn t be in. meeting, this visitor, whoever he was, left a fake name and a big phone number. who would do that? then they found another neighbor, who had talked to the guy, heard his story, got a good enough look at him to help with a composite sketch. and we aired it on the 10:00 news. boston police have asked for help in solving a murder. police questioned a man seen in the day before that murder. they described his wife between the ages of 35-45, he s about six feet tall and neatly dressed. and we were hoping to get tips. what you know? before long women started calling. tales about a man who wanted to buy a house. so, what were you hearing from people who may have had a visitor? was at the same story they were hearing? pretty much. yeah, they were getting the story about this guy that sold his ranch in south boston he and his wife are looking to do this quick in the physical description were all the same. some colors, like tammy, had curious details. he had on brand-new gene that were probably three sizes too long. it was the kind of strange thing you remember said agent, tammy. he had on a shirt, a striped shirt that had wrinkles in it. i mean, pulls. just came out of the box? he just bought clothes, i m sure of it. he had suspenders on, which i m sure nobody wears suspenders and it wasn t like his pants are falling off. but it is when she showed him into the house that her nerves went on alert. he said oh, after you, after you. it was a standoff at the bottom of the stairs, wouldn t go. my stomach is tight. tammy was where a. years earlier, she had been raped by a customer. i knew all my instincts, all that i have learned and been through were the reason i was nervous about him. he said his name was jim sage. he kept trying to get her into upstairs rooms. he wanted to get me in there, and i didn t budge, i stood there and all the bells were going off. the next day tammy called the police to report this jim sage. did he hurt you, did he threaten you? did he put his hands on you and i had to say no to all of that. he said i m sorry, there s nothing we can do. but now, diane had been murdered, strangled, tammy remembered the man s odd suspenders use them on diane pop holick s neck. when did that hit you? after. after i found out she was strangled. the calls kept coming in. women, with stories of a strange man posing as a homebuyer, some truly hair- raising stories. like what happened to x real estate agent melanie blunt, six months before diane was murdered. a man had called about one of her houses. it was a vacant listing, and i asked him if he had been prequalified by a lender, and i am paying cash, and so i drove over to meet him at the house or go to the door to greet him. and immediately he was behind me. he would never walk in front of me. which made melody uncomfortable. especially because he only wanted to see vacant houses, and the whole time that i was showing him the home he was never looking at any room. he seems to be more interested in looking out windows than he did the actual room. she said something else seemed off about him. he has a ticket in his neck, constantly cracking, and popping his neck and breathing very heavy. melody wanted to leave, but then the man noticed the detached garage. he was adamant about getting in the garage. he said i really want to see inside the garage. he started that neck popping. her hand shook as she tried to work the key in the door. it didn t open. i just turned to him said i m leaving, jumped in my car. locked the car and took off and i left him. she drove home, still shaken. i have never cried, nor prayed so hard in my whole life , because i felt i had dodged a bullet. melody called the police too. got the same message as tammy. they did not believe me. did he touch you? did he hurt you? no, he did not. when she saw the story about diane and the sketch? i looked at it, and immediately knew that it was the same man. well, the police and prosecutor investigating diane s murder were working every angle they could think of. we were just coming up zero. he knew what he or she was doing and very careful. that was the impression we were getting, and that is what was increasing our anxiety. so, they waited for dna results from those tiny hairs found on the towel in diane s living room. and they listened to the women who called to tell them about being frightened by a mysterious would be homebuyer. who was he? and then one more call and they knew this could be their breakthrough. she said that she had seen the news and she thinks that that man had come to her house and she possibly had a flyer that he had handled that he had left behind. we were really excited about that. which meant that, maybe there might be fingerprinted. did she say this thing? she did it by accident. she didn t just throw it away? no, she actually picked it up and put it in a sack. a story by this time sounded all too familiar. she was excited to sell her house. she was going to pay cash, wanted to bring his wife back to look at the house and he asked her if she could look around. so, she kind of followed him into one of the bedrooms and when he got to the closet he turned around on her and she said there was this awkward silence and he just stared at her, she just became so uncomfortable she thought something bad was going to happen. and just then, in a nearby room, the woman s baby cried. and it gave her the opportunity to break the encounter with him to grab the baby and he followed her into the room and was standing behind her, when she turned around with the baby in her arms and it must have spooked him. and he just left? leaving behind the flyer? leaving behind the flyer. so they picked up the real estate flyer and brought in a latent fingerprint those prints might just belong to their killer. remember, they found no prints in diane s house to compare them to. in fact, this was strange. even diane s (hard to find. as if the killer may have wipe them clean. it was really not even the fingerprints that you would think you would find in a house that was occupied. that is very rare. yes, it was very rare and scary. scary because they wouldn t know who he was. scary because if he was a stranger just looking for a convenience target he had probably seen the stories on tv with a composite sketch and knew they were looking for. so he could have changed his appearance or left the area, or even worse, my strike again somewhere else. but then? there was this one more phone call from a woman, who said she too had an experience with a male homebuyer and this call just might lead them to an actual person. coming up. she immediately got a creepy feeling from him. the brick detectives had been waiting for. she actually wrote down his license plate and called police. when dateline continues. co keith morrison (voiceover): the idea that the murder of diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house the idea that me tthe murde diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house was gaining some traction. even the friend who remained so suspicious of diane s fiance wondered about that. i had a fleeting moment that maybe it was somebody dealing with the realty and selling of the house because there were quite a few people that came in. i thought maybe a husband found her attractive, you know? made a move and she didn t go for it. calls were pouring in to the police station from women who all shared a similar story. they described a man who claimed to be in the market for a new home but seemed to be shopping for something more sinister? one woman provided police with the mystery man s fingerprint. detectives thought the crime scene had been wiped clean so there was no way to match it back. there was a new caller and she was about to give them more. and she basically had told us that months earlier that this man with the same story had come to her home but in a different neighborhood. but very affluent so it kind of matched. he was insistent about wanting to go in and see that house. and she immediately got a creepy feeling from him and told him no and her husband said well if he ever comes back you need to call the police or get his license plate because it really scared her. and about six months later he came back and was very insistent on going in to see her house and she told him no she was not going to allow him to come in. and so she called the police. nothing happened then. the reaction she got was like those other women. the police could hardly arrest some guy for just seeming creepy. but this woman did something different. she wrote down the name and phone number the man gave her but more important his license plate number. stuck it on her fridge. instinct? luck? maybe both. she didn t know if he would come back again. she thought it was concerning enough that she would just leave it on her refrigerator just in case and she gave us the original piece of paper she wrote his license plate down with. and. well we immediately ran his license plate and it was a minivan and it was registered to patrick russo and his wife janet russo. patrick russo. his last known address was in a rural area about a half hour outside austin. so they decided to pay a visit. it s a pretty drive to bastrop county. the live oaks, the cypress trees. at 4:00 a.m. the detectives weren t exactly taking in the view as they drove to russo s home. hoping this is a lead that could shed some light on the murder of diane holik. all they had were stories about a creepy guy looking at houses for sale. was patrick anthony russo that guy? maybe, maybe not. dawn was hours away when they knocked at his door. the man who woke up to answer it looked like the composite sketch. coming up. patrick russo seemed an unlikely killer. i ve got my ged. i went to college. i studied for theology to become a minister. but an odd coincidence. he was in diane s area the day she was kills. you remember ever talking to her? 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[ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. keith morrison retrack: a torrent of tips called in to austin police led detectives tracy a tore rent in to austin police led to detectives to the doorstep of patrick russo. a man matching the description of the mysterious stranger seen in diane holik s neighborhood the day of the murder. we told him his name had come up in an investigation in austin and he basically just told his wife that these things will happen from time to time because he s a convict and out on parole and not to worry that he d be back in a couple of hours and we left. on the ride to the police station he went by his nickname, tony. he wasn t surprised they wanted to talk to him. things go wrong in your town or something, it s a possibility people would look at you. and that s okay. i understand that. he seemed eager to help and wanted detectives to know he d turned his life around when he was in prison. i spent my entire eight years in prison doing nothing but engulfing myself in a better life. i got my ged. i went to college. i studied for theology to become a minister. it was behind bars where tony met his wife janet. she a church volunteer. since his release, he said, he d published an autobiography about his tough childhood, his battle with drugs and his redemption. i have a ministry they go into prisons with. i go to churches and share testimony with them on how they can deal with, you know, youth or whatever that are headed in the wrong direction. at his local church he said he d become the minister of music. what is your job at the church where they pay you for? my job is to make sure that the music for the praise team or any kind of music that s being done for church services is handled, whether i play it or have someone play it. and in his spare time? he fronted a christian rock band. what s the name of your band? it s broken silence. broken silence. that s a good name. again, said tony russo. he was more than willing to cooperate with the investigation. i will be happy to do of what you guys need. so i don t have any problem with it at all. so they asked him, where was he when diane was murdered. did he have an alibi? thursday? um, that was that big storm day, wasn t it? thursday, i spent some time at the church again. i went to go to knle here in austin. knle is a christian radio station. tony said they were helping him create a website for his christian rock band. okay. about what time was that? uh, i think it was about. let see, i talked to my wife. i was pulling into the parking lot so that would have been about 4:00, i believe. when no one came to the door i went ahead and left. so you made the trip up there for nothing basically? pretty much. then of course he got caught in that awful storm. i got lost for probably a good hour or so. i got on the phone with my wife. she stayed on the phone with me. it started getting later. that s when the heavy winds started coming and the tornadoes, i guess. so what time did you get home finally? um, my wife s better at the timing on this than i am. 5:30, i guess or 6:00? i m not really sure exactly the time frame. thing was, diane s house where she was killed was not far from the radio station. you remember ever talking to her? no, sir. tony was adamant he d never seen diane. you never talked to her? no. interesting. then detectives asked, had he been doing some house hunting? is there any reason why you d be in a neighborhood looking for a house? no. none whatsoever? uh-huh. of course they knew a thing or two about that. so the detectives leaned on him a little. do you want me to tell you how serious this is? i would appreciate it. i feel like i m getting pretty banged here and i don t even know what it s for. she s dead. i don t know if you noticed when you walked in here, this is the homicide unit. i ve done a lot things wrong in my life. i m telling you that as badly as i feel for this woman here, i m sorry, but you guys are barking up the wrong tree. go ahead, he said. search my house. my car. he even offered to take a polygraph. i don t care how hard you dig, you re not going to find me committing any crime like that. any crime, period. tony s wife janet was very helpful too. and her story about that day was just about the same as his. yeah, i was telling him where the tornadoes were. he doesn t know his way around austin all that well. next thing he knew he d circled back around going west because he was he said well there s candle again. candle is the nickname for knle the christian radio station. when the interviews ended tony asked to see janet. i promise you i never did anything to anybody. i promise. and all i think about is how this affects you and our church and everything we worked so hard for. i know. tony and janet russo had answered all their questions. had been cooperative. and tony even gave them a swab of his dna and his fingerprints. so the police thanked him and took them home. coming up. the interview part two. this one a little tougher. is there any reason why somebody might have seen your van over there? 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(announcer) dexcom g7 helps protect against highs and lows. call now! hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. i don t ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i m committed to golo for life. after police interviewed tony russo and his wife, they brought him back in. the day e.after police interviewed tony russo and his wife they brought him back in. again he was cooperative. said he was surprised to be a suspect in of all things a murder. two years i ve done everything i can to make the best life for my family and myself. being caught up in this whole thing is such a mind boggler that i feel like i m in a nightmare state right now. bits of information and the women s stories about a creepy man who looked a lot like him were stacking up. detectives asked him about the upscale neighborhoods where several women had reported seeing him. often driving his minivan. is there any reason why somebody might have seen your minivan over there? surely i don t have the only pewter ford minivan in this town. that has that license plate on it. that s true. that is true. by the time the detectives interviewed tony they d checked for priors and guess what. that conviction the one he was on parole for was for kidnapping with a very particular twist. he had gone into an office where a woman was alone and tied her up with zip ties and choked her. did not kill her but choked her. disturbingly familiar given what happened to diane holik. back then a decade before diane s murder tony confessed to kidnapping and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. it was there he met and married janet and soon after was paroled after serving only one- third of his sentence. but the kidnapping charge wasn t all they found at tony s record. even earlier, years earlier, there it was her. it had actually been a quiet day. donna shank encountered tony when she was an apartment manager. all alone late one afternoon in her building rental office when a man walked in. he wanted to look at a two bedroom apartment for his self and his girlfriend, he says. donna showed him an available apartment. we re walking down the hallway. we get back to what would be the master bedroom so i open the closet door and went into the closet to turn the light on and in a split second he had me by the throat. she struck out at him. tried scratching and slapping him in an effort to get away. he took her down. before i knew it i was on the floor. i was on the floor face up and he was straddling me with both of his hands around my throat just squeezing. tight. very tight. i wasn t able to speak. i wasn t able to breathe. i was thrashing and. grabbing at him and things. bucking, you know, everything i could do. until he grabbed my hands and panned them i guess under his knees. i couldn t move my hands. it just, you know, dawned on me okay well this is it. is this absolute terror? it is absolute terror to where your life flashes before your eyes and. you think i m going to die. and this is it. then she thought no, this would not be it and she thrashed about until she was able to free her hands. and i put my hands on his forearms trying to pull him away. i had sort of a high neck sweater on and he kept pulling my sweater down to look at my neck and his eyes are very different, very scary. it was completely different. it was like flipping a switch. it was a very scary crazed look. then donna in a panic said all she could think of saying. i ve been gone too long, they know what apartment i m in, they will come looking for me and he would say you re lying don t lie to me you better not be lying to me and would call me profanities and would strike me. he s still holding on to you, your throat. yes. but he seemed to realize yes, there was a possibility somebody would be coming to look for her and as quickly as he had become a monster. his expression changed again and his eyes went softer. then he completely took his hands off of me and just went like this and just covered his face and then sat back up and he said i can t believe i did this. are you okay? like he s a different person now. yes. to the point that he was apologizing profusely for doing it, asked me if i was hurt. asked me if i was okay. helped me up off of the the floor. helped me collect my necklace that was torn off and thrown about. he begged donna not to call the police, but she did. and he confessed. he was convicted of misdemeanor assault. and was put on probation. but as the years went by, he had attacked five other women in similar ways. including his kidnapping victim. now he s being questioned about a murder involving zip ties and choking and was denying he knew anything about it. saying the similarities with earlier incidents were merely coincidence. it s disgusting to sit here and listen to you talk about being such a devout christian and forgiveness and how much you ve turned your life around when this one coincidence after another this whole thing goes back to similarities that i m sure coincidental back in 1989, 1990, 91, 92. but you re this reborn christian? and you re going to sit here and lie about it? but the truth was at that point police could only prove patterns of behavior. patterns tony insisted he broke when he became a born-again christian. but really? so the detectives set up a little trap and asked him if his fingerprints could possibly be found on a real estate flier. have you ever handled aureoles flier for a house for sale in west austin. no. then your fingerprints shouldn t be on there. correct. but even as tony insisted otherwise they already had received the test results from the real estate flier saved by that woman. thank you lord tony russo s fingerprints were positively on that flier. what happens in the old gut when that? we knew it was him. we just weren t able to put him anywhere and now we had him. true, they had him recently in the home of a woman who d been terrified by his behavior. but they didn t have him in diane holik s house. to get that evidence they needed time and they worried would he run? then the prosecutor had a canny idea. when tony russo said he didn t touch the real estate flier, that was a lie. and lying to the police was a parole violation. so the da s office came up with this charge that allowed us the time we needed to send off all the dna and physical evidence to see if it we could actually put him at her house. bring your right hand back. so into jail went tony russo. coming up. there were five guys standing like a theater setting. show time. with a script. as his victims come face to face with tony russo. repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? do you have any information about the familiar plan of the house? i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that was extremely frightening. when dateline continues. i m out of breath, and often out of the picture. but this is my story. 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we had so many women that had let him into their homes in different neighborhoods all over austin, south austin, north austin, even real estate agents that he had called when he wanted to look at vacant houses. but could any of those women actually identify tony russo as their guy? we felt like we needed to do a live lineup because the phrasing and his ruse that he used was so specific and the women remembered his voice and they remembered his story. so they rounded up some austin police officers who looked like tony and put him and them in a lineup. and brought the women in. and there were five guys standing like on a theater setting. number one, take one step forward. couple of feet above me and we re down below. number two, repeat the following phrase. you have a beautiful house. you have a beautiful house. we had a script that each person had to step forward and exactly repeat what the detective was telling them to say. i m going to pay cash for a house. i m going to pay cash for a house. it was everything that was said to each one of these women when he went into their homes. i came to this house before, didn t i? i came to this house before, didn t i? repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? he was number one right in front of me. i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that it was extremely frightening. i picked him out of a lineup immediately. i was feeling a lot of guilt. i don t know why. you just feel what could i have done? somebody s dead and this man was with me. how many of those witnesses picked out the right guy? i believe it was 15 women. out of the total of how many? i think it was 30. eyewitness testimony is notoriously not great and often doesn t carry much weight in a trial so you needed something more. yes. what they needed was something definitive to put tony russo in diane holik s house. they d sent off dna samples from diane s finger where her ring had been yanked off and from that towel on her couch. finally the results. what did the dna tell you? the swab on her hand was a mixture that was consistent with a combination of diane holik and russo. was it enough to say for sure though because dna. no. no, no, no. we can t exclude him. it s consistent with him. but it s not the kind of dna that you can eliminate the rest of the world. right. just really increased suspicion is all. it was helpful. it was dez positive. we sent the hair off to a lab and they did a may toe conacre dry corral dna test. we could not exclude mr. russo. but you couldn t say for sure. no. so close. just not quite the absolute proof they d been hoping for. but the dna did provide one very helpful service. police had confirmed the alibis of diane s fiance dennis and her ibm friend ray. these tests definitively eliminated them as suspects. but we could not eliminate mr. russo. finally six months after diane s death, tony russo was charged with murder. the risk? maybe. they d only get one shot. and the evidence they were going to take to court did not absolutely link him to the murder of diane holik. then the trial was almost upon us. they found something. something almost beyond belief. in my wildest dreams i never imagined that a website like this could even exist. coming up. the dark side to the web. and tony russo. you certainly had your motive. yes, we did. when dateline continues. ths what hd to me. 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not so easy. it was the most complex murder case definitely the most complex murder case i ve ever tried. that s because without hard evidence linking tony to the murder or even putting him in diane s house she d have to assemble all the jagged puzzle pieces of coincidence into a coherent pattern. when you re getting ready for trial you put it together almost like a play. what are you going to tell them first so you script it out. there were the zip ties on his property that seemed to match marks on diane s wrists. his cell phone pinged near her house. the radio station alibi was a lie. the dna, though it wasn t absolutely definitive, could not eliminate him. and all those women that identify him as that creepy guy claiming he wanted to buy a house with cash. cash which he certainly did not have. but then. he really wasn t looking for houses he was looking for victims. like realtor melody blount who cried and prayed after her encounter she found it so terrifying to testify. but did. i did not expect for patrick anthony russo to be sitting across from me within 10 to 12 feet and having to testify with that man looking at me, it was petri fying. and most unsettling when she noticed something all too familiar. now i m glaring at russo and what does he do? he starts that tick in his neck. starts that popping and i raised my hand up and i said there he goes. he s doing it right now. the state also called tony russo s victims from earlier years. including donna the young apartment manager he attacked in lake jackson, texas. this phone call just out of the blue after all of that time. she was not only surprised, she was angry. very angry. why did that have to a. why did someone have to be killed before this man was stopped? and the emotions of that whole ugly ordeal flooded right back. my heart started racing. it was just being terrified all over again. but some of the compelling evidence came courtesy of tony s first wife. as he d been married once before. the first wife said he could not get aroused sexually unless he was choking her and that he choked her when they had sex. and the second wife? the second wife confirmed he also choked her while they had sex. i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. any time i feel like my airway s getting restricted, you know, and he s, he always lets go. so a strange and potentially dangerous fetish but was that all it was? isn t it possible though that he really didn t want to kill diane holik? that s just my belief that he did. that just choking and not killing it was no longer enough. it wasn t enough any more. and why was she so sure? because of what turned up during a forensic analysis of tony russo s computer. the i.t. people landed on it just as the trial was about to begin. disturbing is perhaps too bland a word to describe what was in there. he was a member of a website one that you had to pay money to see. it s described as tastefully erotic death scenes and mr. russo had chosen the subcategory of asphyxiation. omg. uh-huh. in my wildest dreams i never imagined a website like this could even exist or that anybody would want to look at it. you certainly had your motive. yes, we did. it s called sexual sadism. he felt a compulsion to go and choke people. yes. he was sexually aroused by women being choked. oh boy. that gets into pretty dark territory. yes. they nailed him big time. diane s friend anita was in the courtroom as the state rested and she waited to hear tony s defense. we were all thinking okay, well, here we go. we re really going to hear a whole bunch of stuff. the room was packed solid with people. so his attorney just stood up and said defense rests. there was like a huge gasp in the room and then totally silent. diane s friend lynn arrived just in time to hear the closing argument. he stood quiet for a minute and walked over to the jury and he looked them all in the face. he said i need you to understand what happened to her that night. he put his hands up in the air like this and he put his thumbs down and he shook his hands like this as do though he was choking someone. he said, imagine. it took her two and a half, maybe even three minutes for her to die. as he s holding on to her. yeah. stood there and he looked at his watch and just waited. and for at least two and a half minutes nothing moved in that courtroom. and it was silent and he held that position with shaking hands until enough time had passed that a person would have died from being choked. and all of a sudden slams his hand down on the table. i mean, that s how long it took for her to die. and the whole courtroom just, i mean we all broke down at that point. to think that s how long it took for her to die. how long she suffered. the defense, which did not call a single witness made the case in its closing argument for all the drama the state, they said, failed to prove, because it couldn t prove, that tony russo was ever in diane holik s home. couldn t prove he killed her. tony did not testify. but he did talk to us. coming up. the verdict. when the jury walked back in to the jury box i can t even look at them. when dateline continues. lin the virus that causes shingles is sleeping. in 99% of people over 50. it s lying dormant, waiting. and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you re not at risk for shingles? 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his hair has gone silver now. he s in prison for life. and here one friday morning he brought his bible to the barrier that separates his world from ours. his holy staff of assurance that what he was about to tell us about his role in the murder of diane holik would be god s truth. that jury comes back and says guilty, what s that like? devastating. when you re innocent, it s devastating. innocent? yes. and so i hear from the warden that you got your bachelors in divinity. yes, sir. if i had to spend the rest of my life in here i want to use it for christ. throughout our talk he wore his christianity like a badge and like an accusation. i noticed that in the media they love to sensationalize any christians or people that claim to be christians that somehow they just they ve got it, there s some hidden secrets in their life. but your victims were christians too. saying you re a christian and being a christian are two different things. in other words you have to be totally honest? i don t think you have to be totally honest but i think there s things in your life that you ll exhibit whether christ is in your life or not. the evidence against him? he had answers for everything. like why he lied to the police when he said he wasn t looking at houses when in fact he was. i did deny in the interview because i felt like i was going to incriminate myself in the original interrogation. i did, however, share with my attorneys what had been going on. which was, he said, perfectly innocent research. looking at the different designs and things. for a long time we had talked about building a house, one of my friends from church had lived in a mobile home while he built a house on the back of his property. so we wondered, why did he behave in a way that terrified all those women who testified in court against him? you got to admit that was a pretty creepy thing to do. i don t know how creepy it is to look at houses or designs of houses. to tell people a whole shaggy dog tale about why you re there, to follow them around the house, to make them nervous. i preferred not to follow anybody through a house. they re the ones that want to show you the house so they tend to lead you. the rental agent he attacked and half strangled back in 1989. what do you have to say to a woman like her? okay, i don t remember her at all. i don t. and yet he actually confessed to attacking that woman back in 1989. and what about the witness so frightened by his visit to her house that she and her husband saved his license plate number? they kept the license number. they kept about four license plate numbers of people that looked at their house or wanted to look at their house without a realtor. not true, said darla davis. his license number was the only one they saved. i also asked him about his decision to take the pinstriping off his van, just then. he said that wasn t because police were looking for it but because it had been vandalizes. i was going to redo the pinstriping since i had originally put it on there. the zip ties police found wrapped around fencing on his property? they belonged to a friend, he said. and the statement by his wife janet that he would sometimes choke her during sex. i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. i never choked anybody. you choked your wife. no, i did not. she said you did. no, she didn t. she said you choked her as part of a sex act. that s how you had sex. that s not true. that s a manipulation of what she said. i m just telling you that s what she said. we reminded tony he d been married twice and in marriage number one same issue. but your ex-wife says you choked her. okay. and that s how you got sexual arousal. the only way you d get sexual arousal. i m not going to go into detail to embarrass her so i d rather not say anything about her. you know that s a tactic, don t you? i ve seen this done a thousand times. you can call it a tactic. if you ve got something to say about the woman, say it but don t do that where i m not going to say a bad thing about her because it would be mean to her. that s bs and you know it. well, under the world standards yeah that would be bs. but as a christian it s not. we asked about that pornographic website reporting to show the killing of asphyxiation of women. the one he had to register and pay for before he could access it. i cannot help that porn sites pop up on a computer. they don t pop up unless you look at some porn site. so there s an explanation for everything. there s a truth to everything. oh, yes, tony russo had an answer for everything. i am absolutely innocent and it disgusts me that every time you try to say you re innocent everybody says isn t that what everybody says? have you confessed the ultimate sin to god? what s the ultimate sin you re talking about? murder. if i had murdered someone i definitely would have. be you you say with your hands on your bible. i will die claiming my innocence and people can believe it or not believe it. i absolutely am innocent and i don t care how guilty i look. he couldn t convince any courts of that though. all his appeals failed. here he will stay. outside this institution, several women still struggle with the anxieties and fears and prisons of their own created by him. come back any time i get a call from a man that wants to see a house who is single. every time. i could have been a victim. i was an intended victim. that s a hard thing to think about. and they told us, the trauma lives on. though. it s comforting to know he s in there. that he can t hurt anybody else. they are sorority sisters of a sort who unwilling to live their lives as silent victims came together to help get tony russo off the street for good. we did our job and we got him convicted. so they did. this sisterhood. for the sake of a woman whose fate might have been theirs. diane holik. whose friends came together to remember how they miss her. even after all these years. she was a constant friend. she was in my life every day and all of a sudden she was gone in an instant like blowing a candle out. you see the smile on all these photographs. was she always smiling? always. always. she had a magic smile. it was infectious. if she was smiling everybody else had to. we had to. i m andrea canning, and this is dateline. andrea canning: it was one of the most harrowing days in our history. i hear

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