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That's germany's foreign policy priority. it should be really emphasized. germany has an election, a very important general election coming up this weekend. they've had three debates of the leaders of the party, including one last night in which this oddly named deal, australia uk/u.s. deal didn't come up. and the french protests that biden has insulted europe, didn't come up. so really the germans don't interpret a lost french contract as a lost european contract. they see it as a lost french contract. and i think that's going to limit the degree to which the french are able to -- the macro i...

Century. major move by france. now, this foreign policy priority has been set at the white house under the biden presidency that the u.s. wants to aggressively contain china, including in the indo-pacific region, of course and it appears the white house has decided that to do that, a major opponent of that strategy was equipping australia with nuclear-powered submarines which are faster and can go undetected longer. and you know, french efforts in that field be damned. so, effectively the french deal is now dead because of this u.s.-foreign policy priority. the lesson for france here, john, it...

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Do you think the american government is on top of this? do you think the trump administration is sufficiently attentive to it? >> what's interesting about ukraine, we care about protecting the election but ukraine is an important foreign policy priority. if we connect the two, we look at building resilience in the ukraine as a way to protect our own election. ukraine has world class engineering talent and also understands geopolitics just because of where they live, israel being the other example. the problem is civil society doesn't have the technology expertise. all the engineers want to wor...

The deep and dark web. >> when i hear all this, it sounds very difficult to figure out how to counter it. do you think the american government is on top of this? do you think the trump administration is sufficiently attentive to it? >> what's interesting about ukraine, we care about protecting the election but ukraine is an important foreign policy priority. if we connect the two, we look at building resilience in the ukraine as an effective way to protect our own election. ukraine has world class engineering talent and also understands geopolitics just because of where they live, israel being...